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5/5 tough spot with AK deep vs whale 5/5 tough spot with AK deep vs whale

10-24-2020 , 09:42 PM
Hero (1,8k) sitting on this juicy table for like 6 hours waiting to get in a good spot with the whale and to get a piece before he leaves. Was on the bad end of card distribution and couldnt make a pair the few times i was involved in a hand with him.

Villain (~1,2k) already donated like 5k to the table. Definitely not stupid. He didnt overplay hands, just liked to bluff and play huge pots and didnt care too much about the money. Sometimes he had it, sometimes he didnt. People started calling him down lite and he adjusted by having it more often because of that when he put money into the pot.
Rarely raised himself but limp/called a lot. But also had a fold button pre. The times he bluffed before i saw him x/r smaller (always 3x) otf and then barrel turn and river. But on completely different boards that favor his limp-caling range.
The table was also very passive pre. I think i was the only one that 3b a few times.

Shortstack in mp raises to 25, hero 3b in bb to 100 with AK, villain cold calls in bb (first time), mp calls.
Flop (305) A97
hero cbets 100, villain snap raises to 400 with 700 behind, mp folds, hero

Last edited by SUYAPA; 10-24-2020 at 09:58 PM.
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10-24-2020 , 09:52 PM
Is it AA or AK?
Just wanna help you catch that while you can still edit it.
You have AA in your title, but AK in the HH.
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10-24-2020 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by XtraScratch8
Is it AA or AK?
Just wanna help you catch that while you can still edit it.
You have AA in your title, but AK in the HH.
oops
it is AK thank you
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10-24-2020 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SUYAPA
oops
it is AK thank you
No worries man.
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10-24-2020 , 10:05 PM
Oh hey, also. You’re in sb, not bb, true?
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10-24-2020 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by XtraScratch8
Oh hey, also. You’re in sb, not bb, true?
omg haha im tired
ya im in the sb
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10-24-2020 , 10:52 PM
All in
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10-24-2020 , 11:30 PM
Never considering a fold. I call and GII on 100% it turns if he bets. His bluffs have close to zero equity and we won’t have a lot of perceived bluffs on a dry board with a ship.
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10-24-2020 , 11:55 PM
I'm like a call Otf. I like your pf. I would tank a bit then call. Eval turn card. Bink a K. Profit.
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10-25-2020 , 03:54 AM
How is this a tough spot? If the $$s are too much, pick up. Easy call and gii on the turn. Dream spot vs. whale.
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10-25-2020 , 05:59 AM
Call flop
Call all turns
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10-25-2020 , 08:35 AM
Yeah, i mean this is a good spot in a 3 bet pot against whale. On board with Browni, call the flop and stackoff on any turn. Its important to give him as much rope as possible in these kind of spots, in order for him to keep shovelling in money with the weaker bluffy parts of his range and not being forced to fold if you ship the flop.
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10-25-2020 , 10:11 AM
Accidentally read the comments, but I agree that we should just call here. I don't see the point in shoving, we'll just get his air to fold.
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10-25-2020 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueSpade84
How is this a tough spot? If the $$s are too much, pick up. Easy call and gii on the turn. Dream spot vs. whale.
Also this. I dont know your rollsituation OP, but if you do feel uncomfortable stacking off here with top top in a 3 bet pot against described whale- cashing out and calling it a night is clearly the best thing to do.

I had this kind of feeling my last game this friday. Was in a pretty big 1/3 half/half game, and i was in the game for $1200-4x $300 each buyin. On my last buyin i ran that up to around $2000. It was then late at night and couple of whales had me covered. I was exhausted after a long game plus running pretty bad for several hundred hours this summer/late summer, so i made the call of quitting even though my EV in the game was huge. Just didnt have the mental strength at this point in the game to possibly lose my $2000 stack in one pot to one of the whales. When you realize those feelings is coming, the only thing to do is to call it a night.
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10-26-2020 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Petrucci
Also this. I dont know your rollsituation OP, but if you do feel uncomfortable stacking off here with top top in a 3 bet pot against described whale- cashing out and calling it a night is clearly the best thing to do.

I had this kind of feeling my last game this friday. Was in a pretty big 1/3 half/half game, and i was in the game for $1200-4x $300 each buyin. On my last buyin i ran that up to around $2000. It was then late at night and couple of whales had me covered. I was exhausted after a long game plus running pretty bad for several hundred hours this summer/late summer, so i made the call of quitting even though my EV in the game was huge. Just didnt have the mental strength at this point in the game to possibly lose my $2000 stack in one pot to one of the whales. When you realize those feelings is coming, the only thing to do is to call it a night.




remind me not to sit at a table with you as bolded is what 99.99% of all players are incapable of doing!
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10-26-2020 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Petrucci
Also this. I dont know your rollsituation OP, but if you do feel uncomfortable stacking off here with top top in a 3 bet pot against described whale- cashing out and calling it a night is clearly the best thing to do.

I had this kind of feeling my last game this friday. Was in a pretty big 1/3 half/half game, and i was in the game for $1200-4x $300 each buyin. On my last buyin i ran that up to around $2000. It was then late at night and couple of whales had me covered. I was exhausted after a long game plus running pretty bad for several hundred hours this summer/late summer, so i made the call of quitting even though my EV in the game was huge. Just didnt have the mental strength at this point in the game to possibly lose my $2000 stack in one pot to one of the whales. When you realize those feelings is coming, the only thing to do is to call it a night.
Ya at the moment i indeed feel a bit uncomfortable when playing deep
because my bankroll got a bit of damage because of corona and im also not running good lately but i force myself to stay if the tables are good. Even though i know im not playing my best when im getting uncomfortable. Its just so hard for me to leave when the tables are so juicy. It feels criminal and unprofessional to leave such a table so i struggle a lot with myself. But playing bad is even worse so i guess you are right and i should leave. Maybe it is better to "hit and run" and leave when im up like 1k+ on a wild table till i feel comfortable again with my bankroll.
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10-26-2020 , 08:25 PM
First i didnt want to post the hand because i knew everybody would say gii.
But i still posted the hand because im not sure if we should go broke in this spot with TPTK for 250bb.

Reasons:

-it was a 3b pot
-he wasnt stupid, so he knows that i have an ace (AK or AQs) a lot in a 3b pot on A97r
-he wasnt unaware and he wasnt overplaying hands so we cant expect villain to raise and go broke with A5o here
-people started calling him down a lot and lite because he was bluffing so much and like i said he adjusted to that
-the times he bluffed he always raised smaller (3x) and barreled t+r, now it was 4x. Maybe to make it look more like a bluff especially on this flop.
-what i didnt mention was that my read (or intuition) was that he wanted me to think that he is bluffing. His snap raise and the way he threw the chips in the middle. It felt like he had it this time and wanted me to disbelieve him and go broke with an ace.

Otf i had to make the decision if i want to go broke with my hand because he is obviously raising otf to gii ott. So i kinda treated the raise like an allin. Calling otf to fold on a deuce turn is no option.

All in all i felt like tossing a coin even though i lean more towards a fold because of the reasons mentioned above.
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10-27-2020 , 06:49 AM
One reason you can’t fold here is because he could think “it” is AK and you’d be folding a chop. It’s also possible he has a worse kicker—I have seen whales get it in here with as little as AJ.
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10-27-2020 , 09:11 AM
What were the results Suyapa?
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10-27-2020 , 09:17 AM
I think he folded (that’s my read anyway).
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10-27-2020 , 09:47 AM
Ahh, reading comprehension fail.
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10-27-2020 , 09:48 AM
The other issue here is you don't have a bluff catching hand. You have a value hand. If he's smart he could be trying to get paid off when you have 1010-KK with his Ax. He might have flopped 2 pair or a set but a fold here is hugely -ev.

This hand is more interesting if you have 88 and then you have to go with your read if he's adjusting enough.
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10-27-2020 , 10:25 AM
From OP:
**Definitely not stupid. He didnt overplay hands**
**Also had a fold button pre**

This is a 3bet pot, and he cold-called from the BB. What bluffs can he have except for airballs? I would say, also, bluffing frequencies go way down in 3-bet pots, even for LAGs.

Given he isn't stupid, he shouldn't have cold-called preflop with a weak hand, given that the short stack could easily shove over the top. The only bluffs I can identify on the flop are hands like TT or JJ. Is he really turning TT/JJ into a bluff?

AK has 50% equity against {AQ+,99,77}.

If he is raising here with AQ, he is definitely over-playing a hand given this is a 3bet pot. He shouldn't have AQ here, given the read in OP that he doesn't overplay.

Treating his flop raise as a pot-committing bet, we're supposed to commit $1000 here in a pot of $500. So we will need at least 40% equity to commit our stack.

Let's take away AQ and give him 4 combos of airball bluffs (like QTs, for instance). Then AK has 40% equity against a range of {AK+,99,77,QTs}

Given all of the above, I really doubt this is a slam dunk + EV spot. To minimize variance, I can see the merits of making an exploitable fold here.
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10-27-2020 , 10:32 AM
By the way, I think title of post is misleading. As described, Villain is not a whale. He sounds like more of a LAG.
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10-27-2020 , 10:42 AM
I dunno man. See all the words around what you quoted.

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Originally Posted by SUYAPA

Villain (~1,2k) already donated like 5k to the table. Definitely not stupid. He didnt overplay hands, just liked to bluff and play huge pots and didnt care too much about the money. Sometimes he had it, sometimes he didnt. People started calling him down lite and he adjusted by having it more often because of that when he put money into the pot.
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