$600 BI cap game. We're $1,055 eff vs BTN and ~$750 vs opener.

Opener: White guy who looks like he could be a highly paid mall Santa Claus, but is sort of a dick to everyone at the table. He's super LAGgy pre, semi-aggro/sticky OTF, and basically fit/fold on turns and rivers. Will often announce "I missed" on turns and river, then folds to any bet. Hasn't BSed this yet.

BTN: MAAG who built up a monster stack while I was either pissing or eating, or just not paying attention b/c I'm sleep deprived. From what I have seen, he's pretty wide pre. Can't fold the gutters + better draws. Sometimes just goes to the river w/ midpairs and junk.


Dick Santa opens $30 in MP, Hero $90 w/ AA in HJ, BTN calls, folds to Santa who calls.

$274

AT8

x, Hero $170, call, call

$783

J

Santa checks saying he missed, Hero (about PSB left in stack vs BTN)..?

Advice on all streets appreciated.

more every street and shove now

Obviously jam

I would have made it $100 pre. You could have then made 75% PSB's on the flop and turn and been AI.

let me guess......you shoved and BTN snap called with KQ since your description of him states "he can't fold the gutters".....if that's the case I hope you hit one of your 10 outs on the river

Ez shove.

Why is every hand that goes up for review assumed a loss? I don't want to give away too much, but

yeah, I agree with that. I get where he´s coming from given the tilting amount of BBV threads lately (or in general), but still I feel we should give OP the benefit of the doubt, especially when thread title states "Dollar extraction", indicating somewhat strongly you want to maximize your winnings and not avoid getting stacked.

I agree with other posters that sizing is suboptimal, either bigger or smaller on every street, but still, we are not in a complicated spot by any means now, we got one PSB vs eff raiser, lots of rivers can kill our action and/or our hand, and I don´t see what else to do. surely we have to bet, but anything less than shoving here will most likely lead to very strange river spot, esp in a still 3 handed pot ott.

Bigger pre vs live recreational types all day.

jam turn - i'd actually try to be quick about it on the heels of the "i missed" comment and dont announce it, just kind of shove em in, pick a spot on the table and stare.

Agree with bigger pre, more on flop, jam turn and pray. It is a good card and a bad card vs. button, but you can't give him a free river.

I'm going to go contrarian since I am an aggrotard gambler.

Because you have the A villains FD combos that would call a 3 bet pre flop are much more limited and you are already losing to the most likely one left KQ


I am married to this hand for stacks, so I actually check here if button has any aggression at all which sounds like he does. I have found the line of 3 bet pre, cbet flop, check the turn will get villains to bluff so so often that it is super profitable even though occasionally river will suck out.

I check to make it look like I have QQ/KK or some other hand I am slowing down on after getting 2 flop calls. I expect Button to value bet and bluff wide and with much worse here a ton on the turn which of course I then CRAI.

If button happens check behind obviously I am rooting against a K, Q, or 9; but I'll take that because if it is anything else I think I can put out $400 on the river and get called MUCH lighter by button.



You are super likely good here so low variance is a turn shove. But I am trying to get stacks, and the only hands that call the turn shove I think are KQ and worse sets both of which all the money is getting in anyway. So let button make a mistake.

Nah

So, it checks through and a K, Q, 9 or club comes on river, are we still committed? Have we made the mistake now?

We could have bet more pre, but I think that's kind of a minor point. We want a call, so offering 2:1 odds to original raiser seems reasonable. We got lucky and someone CC behind us; that's great. Sure, we could have gone $100, but not a big deal.

OP says button is pretty wide pre and he's pretty deep. Let's say he'll CC with any pair, AQo+, 54s+, and J9s+, A9s.

When we calls on the flop, I think he has some sets, some TP and some draws (flush, OESD, or gutshot).

OTT, his range breaks down something like this:
11% straight
17% set
6% 2P
26% TP (5 w OESD and 4 with GSSD)
17% flush draw (incl 3 with a pair and 2 with OESD)
11% OESD + pair
11% GSSD

You'll get different numbers if your range is different, of course.

Much of his range is happy to call a turn bet, especially with OP reads.

Stick it in.

I think he has enough draws that giving a free card isn't great. Some of those have a pair, and so might call a river bet if we check the turn, but those are also very likely to call the turn bet, so we don't gain much by checking and we lose significant value by not charging him for the card.

I made this suggestion because I have been working this into my game when at tables with moderate aggression with great results over the last 2 years.

If you always make decisions because you are afraid of a bad river and losing I think you leave a lot of profit on the table.

I am less worried about a club coming on river since we have the A limiting 3b pre flop calling FD options greatly IMO. If we didn't have the A I am with the rest of this thread in shoving or betting this turn large.


In this spot I think a villain bets a lot on the button on the turn, it looks so much like we cbet the river and are weak/giving up when we check the turn.

So say

Option A
We jam turn
90% of time we TID and win a decent pot
10% villains only call with straight that has us beat or with a set that we have crushed
Villain IMO rarely calls with a draw to a shove (plus I don't think there are tons of club draws left after KQ that has us beat already)

Option B
We check turn
50% of the time button decides to try to take the nice pot with any pair or even a bluff to the weakness.

50% of the time button checks back

When it checks back
20% of the time a terrible card comes and we have to C/C and lose, or C/F depending on read
10% of the time a great card comes (say pairing the board where villain thinks it helps them) and we stack villain
70% of the time the river is a blank and we can bomb $300 or $400 and have a much much higher chance of villain calling with a worse hand than on the turn


Just my take... I have been doing things like the above more in select spots, and while I have lost a few more pots than bombing turn and taking it down, I believe it to overall be profitable IF specifically we have the A limiting villain draws AND if villain has reaonable aggro to bet the turn in position with weakness shown.

That sounds reasonable, but all we know about this guy is that he likes to chase (i.e., can't fold) gutters and better draws and will even go with mid-pairs. We know nothing about his aggression. In this situation, I think betting the turn is much better.

It's a bad plan 3 way and way too wet of a board to do it.