5/5 re-raise w/ straight OTT, or flat?
09-14-2017
, 12:12 AM
09-14-2017
, 01:10 PM
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Its hard for me to explain this without just saying "play more plo" but really this becomes a pretty standard spot after you've played plo.
In live plo it is generally unwise to bet oop with draws, even strong draws, in multiway fields. This is because there is very little fold equity, especially in limped pots on connected boards. And when you bet a draw you generally want fold equity because well, you have 9 high. There are other reasons for being passive in these spots, such as not wanting to get folded off of your own equity.
Plo also helps you think about every single turn card. I never thought like this playing nlh but plo I'm literally running 47 cards (in groupings ldo) through my head otf.
On this flop with 98, there are only 4 great turn cards for us. The 7s. They also dont overnut anyone, and when we produce significant action, our hand will be face up.
Some "good" turn cards would be the clubs, but upon examination we need to realize they arent created equal.
The A,K,J clubs are relatively bad turn barrels. This is bc a villain flop continuing range on JTx is going to be broadway heavy and will either make a straight, an open ender, a gutshot, trips, or 2 pair.
The other clubs, 2,3,4,5,6 arent great barrels either, bc they are not scare cards. As you see, on JTx textures you really have a catch 22 bc normally good scare cards (overcards) are not scare cards as they favor a continuing range and good cards (2-6) dont fold out alot of the flop continuing range. Yes clubs help maintain our equity which is great and all but we'll still need fold equity with it.
Even a Q, which gives us our straight, completes K9 which most certainly calls $15 otf. It also gives KJ/T an open ender (cards that maintain equity for villain are important).
So Q9 would be a much better bet here, and KQ even more so, bc they have more equity, turn more equity, turn/river more pair value, and can overnut people, as just a few reasons.
I would bet a 2
3
7
flop, possibly even 6 ways, with 89 before I would bet OP's flop. That is because overcard club turns are GREAT for us with both fold equity and real equity, because its such a dry texture we might just have fold equity otf, because we have pair outs, and because we have 2 three card draws to the effective nuts.
But i bet a lot of people would check the 237. So you see, its not as simple as "i haz open ender...i bet". There are alot of considerations, and 89 on JTx can be a crappier hand than 89 on 237 in a limped pot 6 ways
In live plo it is generally unwise to bet oop with draws, even strong draws, in multiway fields. This is because there is very little fold equity, especially in limped pots on connected boards. And when you bet a draw you generally want fold equity because well, you have 9 high. There are other reasons for being passive in these spots, such as not wanting to get folded off of your own equity.
Plo also helps you think about every single turn card. I never thought like this playing nlh but plo I'm literally running 47 cards (in groupings ldo) through my head otf.
On this flop with 98, there are only 4 great turn cards for us. The 7s. They also dont overnut anyone, and when we produce significant action, our hand will be face up.
Some "good" turn cards would be the clubs, but upon examination we need to realize they arent created equal.
The A,K,J clubs are relatively bad turn barrels. This is bc a villain flop continuing range on JTx is going to be broadway heavy and will either make a straight, an open ender, a gutshot, trips, or 2 pair.
The other clubs, 2,3,4,5,6 arent great barrels either, bc they are not scare cards. As you see, on JTx textures you really have a catch 22 bc normally good scare cards (overcards) are not scare cards as they favor a continuing range and good cards (2-6) dont fold out alot of the flop continuing range. Yes clubs help maintain our equity which is great and all but we'll still need fold equity with it.
Even a Q, which gives us our straight, completes K9 which most certainly calls $15 otf. It also gives KJ/T an open ender (cards that maintain equity for villain are important).
So Q9 would be a much better bet here, and KQ even more so, bc they have more equity, turn more equity, turn/river more pair value, and can overnut people, as just a few reasons.
I would bet a 2
37 flop, possibly even 6 ways, with 89 before I would bet OP's flop. That is because overcard club turns are GREAT for us with both fold equity and real equity, because its such a dry texture we might just have fold equity otf, because we have pair outs, and because we have 2 three card draws to the effective nuts.But i bet a lot of people would check the 237. So you see, its not as simple as "i haz open ender...i bet". There are alot of considerations, and 8
9 on JTx can be a crappier hand than 89 on 237 in a limped pot 6 ways
Thank you.
09-15-2017
, 10:16 AM
09-15-2017
, 03:01 PM
