V1 -- Young Asian. I haven't played with him long enough to know for sure, but he sure seems like a Lag-Fish to me. Raising garbage hands OOF and plays that just don't make a lot of sense. Definitely comfortable with poker and surely plays regularly.


V2 -- Loose/Passive, dying to play pots.


Hero -- Young white. Been pretty snug in this game, but generally very aggressive. V2 knows this; V1 does not.

V1 $1105
v2 600
hero 1000



v1 (utg+1) raises to 20
1 caller
v2 (CO) calls 20
Hero (SB) reraises to 80 with KK
V1 calls
1 fold
v2 calls.


Flop (265): J75
Hero checks [V1 had been betting 80% of flops and board wasn't horrible.
v1 checks [of course]
v2 checks

Turn (265): T
Hero checks [Bad card for me to lead out on. Hard to get value from worse unless they have A or Pair + straight draw
V1 bets 125
v2 calls 125
hero calls 125

River (640): K
Hero checks
v1 bets 500 [Villain seemed to change his mind on how to bet repeatedly. After betting, he seemed fairly rigid to me]
v2 folds
Hero tank/calls [A not-really-reliable live read, odd bet-sizing, having under-repped my hand, and having seen V show down strange bluffs in past led to call.



This hand is a lot more straight forward if I would have led the flop, but I decided to get cagey with v1's tendency to lead almost all flops and v2's tendency to make calls.

Thoughts?

After checking flop not sure there is another way to play it. How was body language on his river bet did he look comfortable? I might be able to talk myself into fold if he does.

He looked like he was trying to be comfortable ... but I feel like he seemed rigid. Breathing seemed normal.

Aah i hate not betting on the flop and it should be a very standard cbet. You guys are too deep for check raising, and the board isnt that dry at all.

If villain is going to bet any hand we get value from + bluff with hands that have no equity as lag fish generally do, I think a c/r otf is good

I'm guessing villain hit a straight OTR with AQ because he'd bet any Jx or diamond draw. TT and KT are possible, though but I'm not sure he'd bet so much otr on a straight and flush board

As played why wud u flat the turn, u obvious have v2 range crushed because his money is dead so all u have to beat is v1 and he is aggressive so u beat a majority of his range. On river I wud raise only hand u lose to on 89 u beat else 2 pair sets etc. .

Flush... AQ?

Flush draw he wud bet flop v2 wud raise with flush in turn

I prefer turn raise for the record tho

This would lead me to a call probably. I want to say I can a fold on river if he looks comfortable and his breathing is fine, but I probably think it over for about a minute and make the call in game.

Without the K of diamonds I'd prefer betting flop but that depends just how spewy V1 is. As played I think you have to call against the described player but expect to be beat often.

"V1 had been betting 80% of flops and board wasn't horrible"

Ummm, I kind of doubt you have a reliable statistic for when he calls 3 bets preflop and then it is checked to him on the flop.

If he c-bets 80% of the time on the flop, you cant expect him to be betting 80% of the time after you check

To me checking flop in a 3way 3b pot is a mistake but I agree with daniel that once it is checked I would just call it down on this runout

This is true, although there was a gigantic whale in the game that people were constantly trying to Iso and re-iso, so there was definitely a lot of 3-bet pots he was in. Although checking seems wrong, it's not like i just made up this plan out of nowhere.

closer to 120 pre, bet flop (AdAx/KdKx are better c/c hands), bet turn (although its close to checking i think), as played seems like a pretty easy call vs described

I disagree. Even if the Villain bets any hand that would have called our Cbet, he then folds most of those hands to a C/R. It seems like this line is going for 1 street of value with an overpair. I don't like it. Plus, we're 200bbs deep here. I wanna see a safe turn card before I commit my stack here. Just bet the flop as a standard Cbet.

As played turn is really the only option. River is a puke fold.

I really hate not betting this flop...but as played...

Think I'd have to fold on this river given bet sizing. Villain has to think that the K hit you in some way. I believe you end up seeing AdQx or some sort of small-medium flush...only possible combo I see you beating that V shows up with here is TT. Unless you're 100% comfortable in your physical read on V...I'd let it go.

Exactly right.

Given that check-raising makes no sense at all, I wish the original poster had explained why he cared whether the Villain tends to bet flops or not.

because if V bets flop at a very high% and barrels a high% on later streets it might be better to c/c down than to b/b/b ourselves

Because some people spew much more when betting than calling.

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