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11-10-2014 , 04:50 AM
I'm in sb with 750 and Q9 (which should of been a fold pre)

Someone Limps. Mp Raises to 20. 3 callers including me.

The villain mp preflop raiser is a young Asian kid that has been playing pretty tight( been at the table for an hour and a half). He has me covered .

Flop ($90) : J T 3

Checks to villain and he bets 55.

I call and everyone else folds

Turn ($200): 7

I lead for $125. V raises to $300.
I only have 550 left so I just ship it.

Did i get it in good?

Last edited by freecuddles; 11-10-2014 at 05:18 AM.
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11-10-2014 , 06:04 AM
As you said, fold pre.

Then, fold flop.

OTR we're cooked, again fold.

Correct me on this, I could be wrong... I figure we have 9 flush outs, and 6 strait outs, (so we don't double count the 8d and Kd), for 15 outs.

We need 2.3+ to break even.

We have no fold equity. This is a fold all the way.
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11-10-2014 , 06:10 AM
take away the fold pre and all that stuff, I dont think we should be leading turns here. check call probably best but if he folds a lot then c/r turn.
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11-16-2014 , 12:02 AM
pf call there is fine, you could squeeze but a three way call is fine imo. flop c/c is fine, we have an oesd, backdoor outs, blah blah. turn is where you can get interesting, you have massive equity in the pot.

turn is actually interesting, I don't think we have that much fold equity though so I think in the end its spewy. We're most likely getting it in as 30/70 dogs, which is obviously bad but it's not the end of the world. I would much prefer a big check raise where we commit ourselves that way, which will allow us to rep a much larger hand than your donk bet. Your donk bet looks like QJ, AT, or some other marginal holding that got a dumb idea. It's almost like you're forcing him to take an aggressive and "must call" line with stronger holdings that he might think twice about in a large c/r situation.

There's also the chance he's going to check back on the turn, which we're not too upset about either because we can then play pretty well on the river. Overall the donk bet turn is good only if you a) intend to ship against a raise, b) think your ship has fold equity and c) we have a big enough stack for b to be true.
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11-16-2014 , 01:57 AM
Once you call preflop, you can't fold an OESD on a rainbow flop to at 60% pot bet, so lol at the guy who suggested that.

There's no point in leading the turn. If it checks through, you get to realize your equity or bluff against a capped range, whereas if you lead turn you bluff out the same hands you would have folded on the river, except V still has monsters in his range, and so you face a spot where you can get raised and either have to forfeit your equity, call as significant dog, or re-raise with no fold equity against a hand that you are a significant dog against.

Check turn, and then either raise or fold depending on V's sizing.
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