Hero (UTG): ~500, effective stack. E20s bearded WG, TAG image
V (BB): covers. Young Euro reg, TAG

Preflop (7-handed): Hero opens QQ 25, V calls.

Flop (~60): Td9d2x. V checks. H checks.

Turn (~60): 2x. V bets 40. H calls.

River (~140): 4x. V bets 140. H?

Bet the flop. As played call turn and call river.

I don't see any reason to pot control with a vulnerable hand vs that flop. It's heads up and you're in position. Bet the flop, then you can bet the turn and decide on checking back the river. The flop check was horrible. Now obviously you're in no man's land so you may as well call since your hand is under repped.

If we lost we got away relatively cheaply.

If he had two pair, a set or 4x, we would have prob cbet 40, then bet 65 into 130 ott, and most likely checked back the river (or folded if he lead out for pot) so we would have lost 105 post flop instead of 180 fwiw.

If he had two pair, a set or 4x, we would have prob cbet 40, then bet 75 into 130 ott, and most likely checked back the river (or folded if he lead out) so we would have lost 115 post flop instead of 180 fwiw.

Why would you check back the river? It's a great runout

Obv it depends on the player and his calling range from the blinds

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In a vacuum I'm taking a b/b/b line with this runout. AP, easy call OTR. Given how you played the hand I think there's more merit in discussing a river jam than there is discussing a possible fold.

Zero chance river jam. What does V call with? Bluff catcher thinking we, a TAG, are bluff raising a busted draw?

Agree on b/b/b but as played, call.

Vs this sizing I call riv , raising might be better vs something smaller

I think I am firing three streets on this texture with an overpair, especially after the 2 pairs. Checking on any street if/until V gives us reason to seems awful.

Agreed, I wrote that I believe it's a call too. I was just saying that if OP posted this thread to find out if he should call or fold, I think call or shove is a better discussion here given the line he took. I'm definitely in the "call" camp though.

This

bet flop AP easiest river call

Every draw bricked. Pretty great run out for shoving an underrepped overpair on a bottom paired board.

Agreed. I'm a nit, and my first thought was to raise the river.

Pot size river bet should be polarised usually, so raising doesn't make much sens in my opinion. Snap call.

If he bets smaller he should have a more merged betting range so raise probably better.

But bet flop / bet turn / bet river is better with this hand.

Flop check is NOT horrible. Its actually a very good line to mix in to your standard lines.

As played, I'm raising the turn or river.

When you check a flop like this, you make up any missed flop value back by raising the turn or river. You make more money when he has a weak hand that wouldnt have called a flop bet but now bets the turn himself with something like 77 or total air because he puts you on AK. You can also get him to call a river raise now and then with Tx when he puts you on a missed draw raising the river.

The only time this line sucks is if he happens to have 44 or if the turn is an A or K and he has one of them, but if youre never checking this flop, youre missing out.

I call. Against a smaller sizing I raise but this sizing seems pretty polarized to two pair plus or air. He has more boat combos than two pair so I probably flat. He has 7 combos of boats minus whichever combos he 3 bets pre which shouldn’t be many vs an UTG 5x open. There are 9 combos of T9 but only 3 suited combos. Would you expect him to bet AT like this?

If we took a bet bet line I think it would be bad to check back river.

Flop check is sub-optimal. We should be going for value on a board where he is very often going to flop a piece. I guess QQ with Qd isn’t the worst combo to trap blocking QJ and some diamond draws but just bet. Unlike a hand like AT with Ad we don’t block Tx so let’s get some value. If we are OOP a check is more defensible since he will likely bet his value hands and draws for us so we don’t lose so much value on the flop.

shove

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

Results:

you both played the hand badly. id actually go on tilt for not getting stacked here with QQ. imagine the images present for this hand to take place. good lord.

You got very lucky villain was terrible. You could of easily got stacked.

TFW pot controlling 100bbs deep with KK and QQ just lol.

TFW balancing checking range at low stakes live where 75% of the table is drooler. GTO GTO GTO GTO GTO


Bet flop

as played raise his turn bet to 110.