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5/5 NL: TPTK betting size 5/5 NL: TPTK betting size

10-19-2020 , 12:59 PM
Late night 5 handed home game

V(UTG1,3500) 40s Mexican, weak player, tight when he is up and chasing when he is stuck. Never folds over pairs and usually over play them. he is up and happy mode.

Drunk UTG limps, V1 raised to 20 in UTG1, small bling calling station called. Hero raised to 100 with AdKs, all called.

Flop(400):Kc7c8s

small blind checks, hero bets 200. V called and small blind called

200 too small? 275-300 is better?

Turn(1000):2d

I have about 1500 left, how much should hero bet? all in?
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10-19-2020 , 01:40 PM
why do we have tunnel vision player notes on only one player in the hand when this went 4 way to the flop and is still 3 way on the turn? we're playing a super bloated pot ~400bb deep with one pair. there's a few ways we could have played this hand but all in on the turn aint it.
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10-19-2020 , 01:55 PM
What position are we? Pre I'd go $150.

As played, flop I go $135.

Turn I'd just go $400 and look too gii on a clean river.
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10-19-2020 , 02:18 PM
Preflop $100 seems reasonable but if UTG is prone to limp/calling then a bit bigger would be better.

Flop should be $250-$300. $200 gives somebody on a draw too good of odds. Not direct odds to call unless they have a monster draw but good enough they only have to win a little from you to justify their call.

On the turn you are stuck between committing yourself to the pot and slowing down. If you do bet then $500, it's too small in general but your committed and your goal is now to keep worse hands in the pot. $500 looks good in part because it's the same bad bet sizing you used on the flop. It isn't a sizing you would use in general but it works in this specific situation.

Checking is also a reasonable option with two people still in the hand. Neither is a good player but you don't want to go broke with one pair while that deep.
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10-19-2020 , 02:52 PM
pot is roughly 400 going to the flop. Board is pretty wet, straight draw, flush draw. I'd size bigger to 350-400, K's are never folding and based on experience, draws in these games are never folding. If we get a caller or two, shove turn which is roughly pot at that point.

A/P, jamming turn, it's a 1.5x overbet but I don't really think there's an appropriate sizing here that we wouldn't be committed to on the river
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10-19-2020 , 03:04 PM
to note: based off reads of V, it seems like we are doubling up through KJ, KQ. Sets of 77 and 88 and 2p are possible but only 2 combos of 78s and 3 combos of 77 and 3 of 88. Unless you know different, those hands are raising flop with the draws on the board. I don't mind missing out on occasional value from QQ/JJ/1010 (which might not even call 500 on turn) if we can get max from KJ/KQ (8 combos of each).
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10-19-2020 , 06:37 PM
range estimates are severely skewed here. It's live, they dont all have flush draws and TP. Bet small to keep their ranges wide. $200 on flop is good, $500 on turn, then you can either ship or bet something silly like another $500 and hope to get a crying call from whatever.
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10-20-2020 , 09:04 AM
Late night, home game, drinking ... I'd go larger pre and flop.

Unless you think 99+ will continue with small sizing OTF, I'd look to max value and go $300-$325.

AP, I'd bet $425-450 OTT, and evaluate action. SB range s/b the widest, closing the action.
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10-20-2020 , 10:07 AM
We flop TPTK on a safe board (few two pair combos) with many draws present. The SPR is 5. We are committed here with TPTK and should be looking to GII.
The fact that we started the hand deep is irrelevant. This is a 3B pot and our SPR is just 5. SPR is all that matters here, not initial stack depth.
I think your flop bet sizing is okay. If one player had continued you’d have a nice setup for GII over 3 streets (you could go 200,500,1000).
Given that both players called, you’re in an awkward spot with stack size on turn. If you bet $600 you price out naked flush draws and OESDs. So I’d bet $600 and look to ship the river for a close to half PSB.
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10-20-2020 , 04:19 PM
$100 pre seems OK to me. You could go $125 vs. these guys. How much does SB have?

I'd go bigger on flop vs. two players. About $250 - $300.

As played, I like a turn bet of $500. Let them chase. V is in weak/tight mode. He flatted a 3 bet pre and called on the flop. AcXc, KQs? AK? 9T?
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10-20-2020 , 07:39 PM
interested to hear what peoples thoughts are if we bet $500 into this pot of 1K and get 2 callers and a J peels the river. What do we do if a club gets there on the river. X/F our remaining 1k in this pot of 2.5k?

also how would we play a NFD or OESFD in these spots? Assuming we had AcJc or 910cc. Jam turn and polarize? Wouldn't we want that balanced with our strong holdings like AK?
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