My problem with this is that tilty fish is playing every hand, that does not mean he's banging every hand up to 425; I don't know if he does this with A7o.

I admit I tend to err on the side of caution when facing big shoves though.

Just to be clear, my point is that you would shove A7o in V2's spot (safe to assume?), so why would you expect a tilted fish to play tighter than you?

My logic is that against a good opponent shoving on the button we should be fairly happy to look down and see ATs here. A tilted fish's leak is that he's going to be playing looser than optimal, not tighter. We are ahead of an optimal opponent's range, therefore we should be ahead of a tilted fish's range.

Do you think he is going to nit it up just because the money is getting "big?"

Why don't you actual post something useful? Can you answer my questions?

I did. I said fold.

Combination of stack depth, equity vs villain's range, rake, and variance make this a very easy fold. Wait for AJs at the very least (it's probably breakeven), AQo to feel good about the spot.

We clearly have very different opinions on this spot. I would get excited to look down and see ATs.

Saying fold isn't helpful when no-one understands why.

What is villain's range? Why are you ranging him like he's a nit? You don't drop 4 buy-ins in two hours by being afraid to put money in the pot.

I think the sort of interesting part is the stipulation that blind villain will call with ATC if we flat $425. I think given that stipulation flatting and not folding post is the best option but I'm not so sure. I'm really bad at simple arithmetic and 3 way EV calcs with dead side pots always confuse me so maybe brownie could set us on the right track.

The thing is if he truly will call any two for $425 (but calling range for a shove is say top 15% of hands or whatever) then when he comes along for $425 he is just juicing the pot and equity taken from hero/btn will still be decent, but I believe it's offset by his $425 contribution. The EV is probably very close not considering the money behind, that's where I get confused in these calcs.

Given OP's follow-up post, that we can shove and still get called by blind villain with any two, this is obviously a slam dunk shove. Of course oftentimes we can get carried away with these assumptions. Guy raising $100 blind does not always = guy snapping $1250 with any two.

With the blind bet to $100, by shoving, you're essentially betting 12.5bb to win 5bb. I don't like calling - what do you do when you miss the flop? You're putting in far too much of your effective stack to fold flop. You even said yourself UTG isn't folding, so why not just shove now?

I don't know though, I need more information in order to assume fish shoves here. I play a certain way, by definition I take different lines to a fish (at least hopefully I do). A fish may flat A7 here or even fold for all I know. If this guy doesn't 3bet often, he may express his frustration by simply calling stupidly large bets with dodgy hands (like A7) and hoping to hit.

with your stack size and how you have described the players as loose maniacs this is a clear shove. in these kind of table where you have super crazy players raising every pot when you have a hand with showdown, its best just to get it in. You'll likely get called by worse.

Very easy reshove if utg is definitely blind

Lmao yeah. I meant reshoving to be the second worst option. Just not ad terrible as calling.