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Old 02-06-2014, 04:04 AM   #1
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5/5 NL - played this hand terribly

Villain - middle aged Arab who plays any two - likes to bluff heads up but when multi way he seems to only raise strong hands - finds any reason to call on any street

Hero - playing TAG so far but V is on level 1 and heros image is practically irrelevant

Hero $1200
Villain $1500

Hero has AT

Villain (UTG+1) limps.. MP limps .. LP raises to 35.. Hero (SB) calls.. BB calls.. Villain Calls

Flop: 3AQ

Villain checks... LP bets 50... Hero Calls... BB shoves for 90.. Villain raises to
250... LP folds ... Hero calls...



Turn: 6

Hero bets 250... Villain calls and says "thought we might play nice"

River: K

Hero bets 250

wug thoughts on this WOAT line



my thoughts are that turn sizing is terrible and as played I need to check river to try and induce
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Old 02-06-2014, 05:14 AM   #2
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Re: 5/5 NL - played this hand terribly

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Against a player who will find any reason to call, I don't see why you shouldn't just bet $X OTT and all-in OTR. I mean its not like he's going to turn two pair/sets into a bluff. Might as well get the max when he does have the Jd or whatever else he decides to call with. With that said, I think you played the hand okay. I didn't do any math, but the $250 flop call might be "meh" considering your A and T outs are rarely good.
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Old 02-06-2014, 09:38 AM   #3
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Re: 5/5 NL - played this hand terribly

Turn should be bigger. When villain check/raises this flop after a shove and call he should be very strong. You block all of the viable drawing hands, so villain's range is mostly two pair+ with a small chance of AK. Pot is around $700, so something like $400 is much better here to setup river shove. The $250 is just asking two pair/sets to catch up on river.

As played, on river I'm not expecting to get much value no matter which way it's played. I think I would shove and hope villain tries to bluff catch, but if villain will take a stab behind with air a lot checking is fine also.
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Old 02-06-2014, 10:26 AM   #4
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Re: 5/5 NL - played this hand terribly

Fold preflop. You say nothing about the original raisers range, if it's strong then a fold is better, if not 3 bet.

Why did you check the flop initially? You hit the flop about as hard as you could expect then you check, call, call? I could see a check raise if you knew the raiser would bet but calling the weak C-bet is awful. The action gets back to you after villain's raise and you flat again, why? I think I would just shove at that point. The pot is $750 after your call and you're raising $915 on top so it isn't a huge overbet.

The bet on the turn should be bigger obviously and just shove the river.
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Old 02-06-2014, 10:45 AM   #5
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Re: 5/5 NL - played this hand terribly

they call preflop isnt great, playing oop with a hand that is often dominated. the flop seems ok, a little passive tho because this is as good of a flop as you are going to get.

if you are going to lead turn i would be bigger (350-400)

then the same thing on the river bet 2/3-3/4 pot.
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Old 02-06-2014, 06:18 PM   #6
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Re: 5/5 NL - played this hand terribly

yeah pre I usually 3bet or fold and I agree turn needs to be like 400

flop I figured I have very little fold equity, if any, and I'm most likelydrawing to 9 or 12 outs

K is obviously a terrible card for me and I figured he's never calling the river bc I don't think he ever has J here

he's not the sharpest tool in the shed so I think if I "hollywooded" a little bit and checked he might have spazzed out and bluffed river
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Old 02-06-2014, 06:55 PM   #7
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Re: 5/5 NL - played this hand terribly

I'm check/raising turn against a true level 1 maniac. If you're going to lead, size it such that you can shove the river. Playing for stacks is of paramount importance here.
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Old 02-06-2014, 07:06 PM   #8
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Click it back x infinity. You call ATdd and flop huge against a maniac. You don't need to be fancy against a player who can't grasp wtf you're doing. Sometimes simple is better. Bomb away and don't be so timid IMO. If your playing for stacks then wtf is the issue? If you're wrong than brush it off and reload. I've seen so many players play there way out of money recently because they are trying to be to fancy.
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Old 02-06-2014, 08:52 PM   #9
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Re: 5/5 NL - played this hand terribly

On the flop I assume a check/3b in a protected pot is something he perfeives as very strong, even from an idiot, so on the turn he has a good hand
Depends how scared he gets of flushes but c/jamming or just jamming turn should be fine, he's not folding TPGK

Flop is fine
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Old 02-07-2014, 03:38 AM   #10
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Bet more ott omg. V had a huge hand otf to be raising into multiway. If you called a big bet to hit you card, at least make your implied odds worth it.
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Old 02-07-2014, 03:46 AM   #11
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I'm proudly calling flop, check calling turn, and folding to a third barrel if i miss.

As played bet $375 ish ott so river villain will be more likey to shrug call. 4th diamond is obv bad and I'm never checking river!

When that 4th diamond hits just jam, he will insta check his two pair or sets and get to showdown. Result?
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Old 02-07-2014, 03:52 AM   #12
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Re: 5/5 NL - played this hand terribly

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Click it back x infinity. You call ATdd and flop huge against a maniac. You don't need to be fancy against a player who can't grasp wtf you're doing. Sometimes simple is better. Bomb away and don't be so timid IMO. If your playing for stacks then wtf is the issue? If you're wrong than brush it off and reload. I've seen so many players play there way out of money recently because they are trying to be to fancy.
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Old 02-07-2014, 04:22 AM   #13
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Re: 5/5 NL - played this hand terribly

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I'm proudly calling flop, check calling turn, and folding to a third barrel if i miss.

As played bet $375 ish ott so river villain will be more likey to shrug call. 4th diamond is obv bad and I'm never checking river!

When that 4th diamond hits just jam, he will insta check his two pair or sets and get to showdown. Result?
Are you mad?

I prefer a check raise on this kind of flop, if you know villian will c-bet. If I think villian speeds up facing weakness, I'm crai on the turn.
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Old 02-07-2014, 04:24 AM   #14
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I think a 4b get it in is spew and we would have ~%30 equity.
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Old 02-07-2014, 07:38 AM   #15
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Re: 5/5 NL - played this hand terribly

Pre is fine this deep and a chance to play a pot with the fishies.

Prefer a lead on the flop. Don't expect PFR to c-bet here too often and we don't want to miss out on a street of value from the limpers' worse flush draws and worse Ax hands and don't want Qx or some random gutter to see a free card and bink. As played we should fold to the cold 3bet as V isn't doing that with worse and our draw will be face up when we hit and bet into a dry sidepot.

Bet bigger on turn for sure. V's flop 3bet range consists of sets and 2 pair and maybe AK and he's not folding for $350.

I actually like the river bet since V's flop range has hands that have showdown value but don't have a diamond like sets and 2 pair. If he folds for 1/5 pot then so be it.
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Re: 5/5 NL - played this hand terribly

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yeah pre I usually 3bet or fold and I agree turn needs to be like 400

flop I figured I have very little fold equity, if any, and I'm most likelydrawing to 9 or 12 outs

K is obviously a terrible card for me and I figured he's never calling the river bc I don't think he ever has J here

he's not the sharpest tool in the shed so I think if I "hollywooded" a little bit and checked he might have spazzed out and bluffed river
Lol nah... The Kd was a really good card for you since your pair of aces was probably no good and this pot is getting big.
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Old 02-07-2014, 07:04 PM   #17
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Lol nah... The Kd was a really good card for you since your pair of aces was probably no good and this pot is getting big.
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