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5/5 NL: Bottom end of straight 5/5 NL: Bottom end of straight

07-13-2014 , 09:35 PM
Went down to play some live at the local casino for the first time in ages, only one table running that's 5/5 blinds, $200-500 buyin and had one hand that I'm not sure of my play or if my reasoning was sound.

Villain: $400 (readless, only sat down a few hands ago)
Hero: $600ish

I pick up 109 in the SB with 4 limpers, including Villain on BTN, and it checks through me and BB

Flop: KQJ

I lead out $25 into $40 pot, BTN then raises to $100, folds to me and I call. (Here I have sucker straight, AT is in his limping range I believe and 2p is also possible along with T9 so I don't see the point to trying to get it all in as I don't think I'm getting called by anything worse)

Turn: K

I check, villain bets $150 and I call. (My reasoning is the same as above and now a boat is possible since there can be more KQ, KJ hands in his range than QJ)

River: 3

I check here with intention to call any bet. I see no point to leading for three reasons

a) If I shove I'm not getting called most of the time by anything I beat with the way I've played it

b) if I put out any size bet and he shoves on me I'm hating life but likely committed

c) if I check he may have me beat when he bets but he could also be betting his Kx that turned trips, or his QJ or his air.

In the end it checked through and I took it down but then was berated by villain that he shouldn't have any chips left and what sort of flop was I hoping for when playing T9 (ignoring the fact he seems to have not recoginized that I only played it due to being in the SB) and I should have got all my chips in willingly.

I'm fairly happy with my reasoning given the way the hand played out but since I don't often play live, and only that high due to having to on the night, I'm quite happy to hear other perspectives and thoughts in case there is something I can learn.
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07-13-2014 , 09:48 PM
Uh, what?

You think that his range is only hands that beat you, since you seem to think that he will never bet QJ on the turn? (which is prolly correct)
Yet you are still calling. Why?

When he raises the flop, you are likely right, it's likely 2p, sets, straights.
On the turn you lose to almost everything. Just fold.
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07-13-2014 , 09:53 PM
Well no I don't think his range is only hands that beat me but given the action they are more heavily weighted I'd assume.

Pocket pairs are in his range though I assume he raises KK/QQ pre and JJ is also mostly raised in his spot. TT/99 are less likely due to my hand but TT is certainly possible with his play but I just don't see what benefit raising or trying to get it all in (unless he is the one to cause it) is since I don't see anything I beat calling me at any point (if I assume he's a sensible player and he hadn't given off anything from the moment he sat down to show he wasn't able to play)
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07-14-2014 , 01:07 AM
I probably try to gii on the flop, he's not folding 2P+.

I think you're also forgetting a lot of P+SD hands like KT/QT/JT etc which would take the same actions otf and ott.
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07-14-2014 , 01:08 AM
Theorem of the day:

If V will rarely if ever bluff river and you are going to call an all in on the river if you check hoping that your value hand is better than his value hand, you should jam yourself. This will allow you to maximize your value against the bottom of his range (his check behind range).
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07-14-2014 , 02:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SunChips
Theorem of the day:

If V will rarely if ever bluff river and you are going to call an all in on the river if you check hoping that your value hand is better than his value hand, you should jam yourself. This will allow you to maximize your value against the bottom of his range (his check behind range).
this. villain is right, you missed way too much value on your hand. if he has AT or better, he is never checking and you get stacked. whereas when he has a worse hand, he will often check behind and save money. he almost certainly has Kx here (probably AK or KT).

bet 3bet flop if hes never folding two pairs. any 9, T, or A kills your action against two pairs. any board pairing can counterfeit villain, etc, etc. if he has AT, its just a cooler.

as played on turn check shove or lead turn and 3bet all in

oh and fold pre! even with all those limpers, being OOP, you just wont hit hard often enough. and when you do hit, its hard to get a lot of action when everyone else has wide limping ranges
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