5/5, $500 eff

Villain: MAWG who I've never seen or played with before. Loose passive, calls standard opens wide with unsuited connectors, suited gappers etc., likes to chase draws for 2 streets. Had a $1000 stack but has dwindled down to $500, with most of the money going to me. Most of my opens are isolating him HU, and a flop C-bet taking it down most of the time. Seems frustrated and possibly tilted.

One notable hand with him earlier: MP open 4x, I call w/ 65 in HJ, villain calls OTB. Flop 678, MP checks, I bet 1/2 pot and only villain calls. Turn blank, I bet 1/2 pot, villain calls. River blank, I give up and check, villain checks back. I show and surprisingly am good, villain had busted straight draw. I jokingly told him that if he bet even $50 OTR I would've snap folded.

OTTH

Hero OTB w/ AT
EP limps
MP opens to 20
Hero, Villain in SB, and EP calls

Flop [$85]: 89T
EP, MP check
Hero bets 65
Villain calls, EP/MP fold

Turn [$215]: K
Villain reaches for chips and looks like he's going to bet, but ends up checking
Hero checks back

River [$215]: 2
Villain jams for 330
Hero?

Easy call off here with pair of tens? All draws brick out, I have no flush or straight blockers, I beat all his flopped pair/straight or pair/FD combos, he seems tilted. I don't see the overbet being for value considering I checked back turn - if he flopped a straight, I'd imagine he would bet something like 150-175 OTR? I do lose to KJ, K7s, K2s?, KX. I don't know if he's taking that line with those hands though...

Am I good 38% of the time here to justify a call?

Fold pre.

I fold river.

idk if I would call this mandatory or a hero call, but to me this would be one of the best candidates to call River here. generally the reach for chips then check is a pretty serious sign of weakness. most importantly I'd take note of physical tells here and expect them to be true in the future, sounds like this will be the type of weakish player that we can have some reliable info from.

what hands do you call River after checking back turn here?

asking bc to me it seems like there's better arguments for folding JJ and QQ otr then for folding ATo

This is a good question because I'm having a hard time thinking of even a single hand I ever show up with OTR and call a shove.

Raise pre

As played fold the river. His attempt to bet on the turn could have been hollywood trying to buy a check back but when he jams the river it looks more like he really was considering to bet the turn for value.

Check flop in hand one

If you cbet flop, at least check turn. You aren't folding any better hands, and you aren't exactly betting for value either.

Hand 2 bet is fine otf 4-way; people should be playing pretty straightforward here. Snap fold pre. If you're going to play, 3b is way better than flatting but 3b is mega spew

OTT i'd seriously consider betting again. Looks like he has a draw when he reaches for chips and checks.

OTR it's so close. Looks like a fold from previous HH. But the fact that he's tilting, im inclined to call this off. I wouldnt mind folding, and both should have similar EV. If you dont mind variance and being wrong/getting near stacked, i'd call

Flatting pre with this hand is bad.

River is a tough spot. The jam could be frustration with a value hand. Imagine he has KT. He check calls flop, that's pretty standard. Turn he's like "Finally, got this ****er! Oh God, what do I do though? Do I bet? Umm... no let's let him bet! Check!". Then when you check back he jams river out of frustration. Could be a similar story if he flopped the straight, or has KJ maybe, or K9s, or whatever.

It looks like it should be a call, but in my experience people show up with value here a surprising amount. One thing that's a little concerning is the grabbing chips OTT. Someone said it looked like he has a draw, but I'm not so sure. It looks to me like the K changed his hand in some way and the only way that's actually possible is if he paired it.

Anyway I think I want to fold, but it's very close and I have low confidence in that decision.

Lol, interesting thought process with the frustration-induced value overbet...in my mind, I would never 1.5x PSB for value if villain x'd back turn for what I'd presume to either get a free card on a draw, or pot controlling a Tx scared by the K OTT.

The fact that it looked like he was going to bet OTT was the main thing that caused me to end up folding...I thought there was a slight chance the K helped him in some way, and he didn't want to lose a street of value. Maybe he overbets OTR to make up for lost value trying to rep a busted draw?

When I finally folded, he insta mucked and had this odd, relieved look on his face, which makes me think I made the wrong decision. But I'm glad to hear people think it's a much closer decision than I imagined.

What makes you think the K helped him and that he didnt want to lose a street of value with his tell? From what i’ve been reading on here over the years, “faking” to bet then actually checking usually means they want you to check, and they have draws or a weak hand that doesnt want to face another bet. I mean, this isn’t a definitive tell but i do think this swings it sightly more towards a call + the fact he was tilting. I think he also raises sets/two pair/ straights at a decent freq otf so his range has less of those otr

I barely have 200 hours of live poker experience, so I’m pretty clueless on live tells and what they mean. My interpretation was that he was legitimately thinking of leading turn in case I bet flop light without an actual hand. It didn’t even occur to me that he might be faking the betting motion on purpose to induce a check.

I see the 'unconscious' reaching for chips from some of the regs and I'm pretty sure it's the same kind of thing as comedically fast snap calls on the flop i.e. a bit of pantomime to get the other guy to slow down.

Fold or 3b pre

Some people fake reach for chips to try to slow you down, but you can generally tell who they are. They aren't this guy:

Why did we check the turn here? Seems like an easy b/f spot for us. I definitely bet again there, something like $110 or so.

So V's range on the river is super polarized to nuts or air. He does not turn hands with decent SD value into bluffs here (like KX). And frankly, I don't think he reps enough value hands to fold AT. Maybe QJ that hoped you were betting the turn? That is pretty much it.

I call here and I don't think it is particularly close.