5/5 straddle 10
9 handed

4 limpers, sb completes, I complete with 3h2h
Straddle(125) checks.

The pot is 70.

Flop: Jd3s2s

Sb check, straddle mooves all in for 115 out of turn.

I check, staddle all in 115, folds, folds, HJ(2000) calls, button folds, sb folds.

HJ is loose passif before the flop in general, lag sticky postflop. He plays very differently if he's winning or loosing or if he's drunk or sober. In this hand, he's sober and he's winning.

I have 1700, it's my turn to act what would you do?

People are going to say fold-pre, but in a rakeless home game it might be fine with your read that the straddle is passive. I still think this is too weak, though.

Obviously check to the OOT bettor. Check raise now. Our hand is very likely best right now.

You're right. I should fold preflop because straddle will jam around 30% of the time. It's close anyway, it does'nt latter that much. On the flop, ch raise To 500 and jam any non spade, non jack turn?

in general yes.
against some villains i ship it all in and if they don't snap fold i'll tell them "just gamble with me, you already know what i have. if you've got 54 call it off we might chop at showdown."

Fold pre. You hit a dream flop and still dont know what to do. As played, raise flop and assume HJ is going to have a flushdraw or a KJ type of hand the vast majority of the time. There are only 2 possible set combos and I highly doubt the HJ has J3s J2s even though he did open limp.

With that said are we comfortable playing for stacks on the turn with bottom 2 in an unraised pot? If your answer is no then why are you playing this hand?

If it was a 632 flop instead of J32 Id probably raise>fold to HJ if he jammed but what are we worried about on this board?

Im going to assume that when you say HJ is up and sober it means he is playing super tight. Im not a deepstack expert but I would probably make it around 500 and PSB shove the turn on a blank but that may be incorrect.

I would have lead the flop for a pot side bet, I think, it's a good way to have 3 streets of value from a KJ type of hand or to charge a draw. I think it's a better line than x/r.
When the straddle act out of turn, I have to check.
The HJ has definitely J3s and J2s but that's only 4 combos. He most likely have Jx, a spade draw or 54.

I'm playing this hand because I have great pot odds. But you are right, if I don't feel confortable check raising here and shove the turn, I should fold preflop.

Raising to $450 - $500 is a good play. If you really want to apply max pressure and get HU, you can shove and force out all hands (GG when he has a set, but that's like 2% or less in this scenario)

Ship it

This is often repeated but it doesn't make any sense. You could say the same thing about any hand.

I misread OP. If straddle is not extremely passive then pre is bad. If he's shipping 30% according to another post it's really bad.

It can't be really bad

OP chose to play a really bad hand and hit the miracle flop and hes still scared to put the money in. If OP limped QJ and the board came QJ2 he wouldn't have any questions about putting all the money in. Since this is probably an accurate statement I would advocate not voluntarily playing 23 since under one of the best possible scenarios for that hand you still do not know what to do.

Is that more specific?

Where did OP ever say he's "scared" to put the money in?

Seems much more like trying to figure out how to get the money in for max value.

If straddle is shoving pre 30% of the time, this is probably a fold but honestly I don't think it can be *that* big of a mistake if this is a loose, rake-free home game. $5 into $70 is great odds.

AP, I'm popping it up to $400 and shoving all blank turns.

If V were playing poorly, I'd just shove flop. But it sounds like he's playing better than usual tonight.

He's not scared. He isn't sure whether to call or to raise and to what sizing.

This line of reasoning isn't logical anyway. Difficult decisions don't mean a spot is low EV, and even then ending up in a rare low EV spot after multiple range narrowing actions (which is not the case here, but often the case in other threads with the "gotta fold pre if you don't know what to do here" reasoning) doesn't mean our initial VPIP was -EV. The weaker parts of our range are rarely going to be able to stand a ton of action post unless the flop is exceptionally good.