$5/5 live cash

UTG limp
Hero ($1500) HJ raise $30 QQ
BB ($2800) 3bet $90

BB is tight, first 3bet of the night.

Flop TT2

BB bet $140
Hero call

Turn 6

BB bet $325
Hero fold

I was thinking to turn my hand into a bluff on the turn since BB can never has any T in his 3bet range. I can have ATs KTs JTs 22 66 in my range. But I am not sure that is he going to fold AA/KK if I shove the turn. Only hand I beat is JJ and I don't think BB will 2barrel with AK.

What do you guys think? Do you think is good idea to bluff even you know he has AA/KK? or do you guys think there is a better line to take?

If you know you're against a player who cannot fold AA/KK, then don't try to make him fold AA/KK.

In addition, if you had a T or 22/66, you'd likely not be raising OTT in position. Always remember to tell a story that makes sense when considering a bluff. In this case, I think a bluff would only make sense OTR if you were against the right player. It would be a more expensive bluff, but that is mitigated by the fact it is likely to work more often.

You are right.

if you are going to make that move you are going to have to have a rock solid image in the eyes of the villian, and your villian has to be prone to fold in big pots.

it rarely works.

and it is best to make that move earlier in the pot when your V can fold his hand before he has too much invested in the pot.

the only time big bluffs work is when you are rebluffing a bluffer

You're never getting V to fold on a TT2 fol when he's holding KK/AA.

Sime really tight players love making big folds and others feel like they spent so long waiting for AA that you'll never get him to fold it. If he's a folder, I'd call turn and jam any river lower than a Q, since I want the pot to be as big as possible before i blow him off his hand. Some people think this "never works," but those people don't have los huevos to try it, and when's the last time any of you nits called with an overpair when someone jammed 200 bbs on a board with a paired Broadway card?

You really are better off to pull this bluff when the top card OTF pairs OTT. You'll get less credit for flopping trips than turning them....

If you actually had a 10 would you raise turn?

No, but if he had a T and made his trips OTT, he would, and that's all that matters.

Why? If the board was 2610 with a T turn and betting was the same, why would you ever raise the turn with a T or a boat?

You have 80% of a pot sized left after calling 325 OTT. You are going to flat here 100% of the time to get him to jam his overpairs and keep in his bluffs.

For that reason (and the fact we don't know if this guy will even fold AA) we should never be bluffing here.

Because he would raise a T here, so when you raise your "T", that's what he will put you on.

Nor did I say this would always work, I just said OP would be better off if he tried this when the top cards pairs OTT. That being said, I expect it will work often enough against tight players to show a profit, if you are careful of raise and stack sizes (As in, you are probably right here, hero doesn't have enough left to make this work).

This would be the exact time when stack sizes don't make sense for it tho. 2.2k + deep and I can understand the discussion. With us only having $1500 it would make no sense at all.

absolutely true. hero just herofolded QQ on that board vs 2 cbets, after all
it´s a bit of a crux of llnlh that everytime a thread is about bluffing, general consensus seems "they never fold anyway", and if it´s about value, "bet smaller, we don´t want to valueown, we don´t want to lose him etc"

can´t have it both ways.
2p2 are not the only ones who take the b/f approach. if the thread was reversed, and hero got raised with AA on that board, most responses would be "snap fold".

that said, why exactly do we need to bluff ott now? we got enough equity to call imo.

Why not raising the turn if we had a T or 22/66. I will raise the turn because I want to put more money in the pot and I don't want any scare card come to the river that slow down the action. The time I don't raise the turn if villian has lot of bluff in his range.

Agree. So I think bluffing the turn is better than calling turn bluff river.

Agree. So we can actually raising with T on TT2 for value if we do have a T.

Call turn and jam river is an option but the problem is Villain is less likely to fold after he put so much money in the pot and the pot is so big. I think bluff on the turn is better option?

Yes, want to put more money in the pot and I don't want any bad river card that scare Villain.

Villain only 3bet JJ+ AK. The only hand we beat is JJ and AK. I don't think Villain will 2barrel with AK especially the bet sizing on the turn look so strong. If Villain has lot of bluff in his range ofc we should call the turn.