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5/5 Line check + do I bluff the river? 5/5 Line check + do I bluff the river?

08-01-2018 , 01:43 PM
5/5, 5-handed, $1300 eff

Villain is old Russian guy, plays pretty ABC and tight.

Hero with KhJd in BB
UTG opens to 20, SB call
Hero 3b to 85, only UTG calls

Flop (200): Qs8h4h
Hero bet 60, UTG call

Turn (320): Td
Hero checks
V bet 150, Hero raises to 425
V tank calls

River (1170): 3h
Hero? 850 behind

Thoughts on turn check-raise and whether to jam river?
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08-01-2018 , 01:45 PM
Think every street was misplayed.

Pre is close beteeen call and fold. Most here will say fold. In any case, your 3b sizing is too small.

Flop sizing is too small.

Bet turn. It makes no sense to induce check on the card that gives many of his light floats good showdown value.

River is a mandatory shove as played.

Last edited by AllTheCheese; 08-01-2018 at 01:52 PM.
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08-01-2018 , 01:59 PM
Why would you wanna 3bet a tight old ABC villain with KJ from the blinds who open raises from UTG? What do you think his range is? fold pre
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08-01-2018 , 02:01 PM
Personally, when I tank call on the Turn, I have pretty much decided to call any river bet. Of course - the flush comes in here which changes things a lot:

- Did UTG tank call after deciding he had good enough odds to chase his flush?
- Is UTG calling any river except the flush?

When you are chasing a straight, it's great to bluff the flush because your line is consistent with a strong draw.

As played, I shove the river and pray he didn't hit a flush.
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08-01-2018 , 02:13 PM
When you check/raise the turn as a bluff you need to be planning on shoving river most of the time no matter what. If you are not then check/raising the turn was a mistake unless villain is pretty weak.

You shouldn't be getting to river this way very often, if ever. Preflop is a pure bluff against a tight UTG opening range. Flop bet isn't big enough for the situation. Turn check/raise looks very out of place because you represent nearly nothing.

In general you need to play a more consistent line for a bluff. Lead flop bigger and bet turn if you want to represent AQ+, check/call flop and then check/raise turn if you want to represent something like QQ/TT.
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08-01-2018 , 02:23 PM
Fold pf vs utg range. Not sure on the reasoning behind 3 betting OOP vs a tight player's UTG open range with an unsuited broadway. I'd rather do it with A5s if I was forced to take this line.

As played pf, I'm betting bigger on the flop since his range is strong and continuing on the turn.

River jam is marginal, and the only merit for it the fact you CR'd the turn. But your line makes absolutely no sense, but not sure if villain knows this. I guess you can have AhKh.
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08-01-2018 , 03:38 PM
"Hello sir, you are very tight, so please understand that my turn action is repping exactly TT and therefore you should fold."

"Nah, I'm good."
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08-01-2018 , 03:49 PM
We're 260 bb eff. I think folding pre is too weak. Even against a nutted UTG range and a more speculative SB, we've got to have at least 24% equity. Sure, I'd rather have a suited hand that doesn't have as much RIO , but we are >85:1 implied.

Agree w/ everyone on the 3b. In general, it's better to be polarized from BB. Since you're getting a discount and closing the action, there's an incentive to see more flops. VS described villain, & his range of roughly, AKo/AQs+/TT+ , we really shouldn't have any bluffs since there's really not much he's going to ever fold. Like Mr Spyutastic said if the floorman forces you to bluff, A5s would be much better since you're blocking his AA/Ax combos.

OTF, I think we can size up for value, and I'd certainly barrel when picking up equity. The line looks odd in general because value hands keep betting turn. I think x/c flop and c/r turn reps more in general. Some people slowplay their sets this way. Maybe if V knows you 3b wide a lot, he might even consider J9 in this spot. (Don't x/c KJo on this flop vs this villain though. Just saying bet flop x/r turn makes no sense because most of the time, you're getting checked back OTT since you were the aggressor so it doesn't make sense for you to have a strong hand once you do.)
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08-01-2018 , 06:49 PM
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