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02-18-2016 , 06:06 PM

DTLB

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Hero/UTG+1: $350, K

CO: MAWG, covers. No reads as this is my 2nd orbit.

UTG straddles, hero raises to $30, only CO calls.

Flop ($75): T

Hero bets $40, CO calls

Turn ($155): A

Hero bets $70 and shuts down after getting called.

These are the type of hands that trouble me more than the typical big hands posted here. Flop is good in the sense that it's hard for V to hit it. I rep the OP and know that V can call light with 66-99, maybe 44/22, plus SDs.

OTT, this card hits my range as well as being a scare card for V so I barrel again. My range is super narrow now however...AA, TT, ATs+, K

. Did I play this ok?

Thoughts on anything welcomed.

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02-18-2016 , 06:30 PM

fatmanonguitar

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No probs here. I rarely bet less than half pot so I prob size turn barrel a little more since we want folds and I would usually bet 80-90 for value.

IP, V is prob calling your c-bet with most pairs and some floats, most of which he should fold to a turn barrel.

Your perceived range also includes all the big AX hands you c-bet with and improved OTT.

Helps to have some V reads though.

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02-18-2016 , 06:40 PM

MIB211

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This is a fine card to double barrel, even without reads. V is calling your flop bet with a lot of Tx and pocket pairs between T and 5. A lot of those have trouble continuing when the A hits. It also gives you a gut shot., and if V has one pair that's not an ace a river K or Q will also give you the best hand, so you have some equity even when called.

Agreed that once he calls your second barrel you need to shut down unless you spike a J on the river. If he's not scared of the ace on the turn, he won't be scared on the river.

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02-18-2016 , 07:00 PM

sungar78

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At these stack sizes I think the shut down is definitely best. A little deeper we can think about a turn c/r or river over bet as his turn call will cap his range at 1 pair generally.

I also don't mind preflop fold at this stack size or a delayed cbet if we're getting floated a lot, which in my limited 2/5 experience happens a lot. All of this just food for thought though, I have no huge problem w playing the hand this way in most instances.

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02-18-2016 , 07:38 PM

mtagliaf

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you picked up some equity, and everyone puts you on AK anyway, so barreling an A turn is a fine idea.

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02-18-2016 , 08:25 PM

Javanewt

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I think it's OK except that turn should be more than half pot. You want them to think you hit the A, and if you did, you would want the draws out or to call with poor odds.

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02-19-2016 , 02:41 AM

MamaRolex

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Your stack is $350 before the cards are out.
So, you bet $30 pre, $40 flop and $70 turn and planing to shut down if getting called?

If this your plan, I think you are wrong because you let yourself become committed with 50% of the stack and now plan to quit.

I'm not playing that way

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02-19-2016 , 04:05 AM

DTLB

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Originally Posted by MamaRolex

I understand what you're getting at but I don't think we're always committed when we've put in half our stack. It's not like I blindly put chips in the middle. There was a thought process behind each bet.

Let's say we were both $1000 deep and I made the same $30, $40 and $70 bet and then folded. Would that mean I played the hand better?

How would you have played this hand instead?

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02-19-2016 , 06:40 AM

7weeks2days

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Definitely buy in for 100 bbs unless you just sat down and want to get a feel for the table or are buying in for less for some other reason. I think as played its fine except for the turn sizing. I would probably bet around 100 ott.

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02-19-2016 , 07:39 AM

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winadil

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Have to agree A on the turn is a great card for you.
Players always put you on AK just the sizing is too small just seems weak.
Bombing 100-120 and expect a sigh fold, with comments like
Ak always get there
I was beating you on the flop
Stuff like that followed by my smiling

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02-19-2016 , 09:50 AM

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Playbig2000

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Not only is the Ace in your range but you also picked up equity with a straight draw.

I would have bet much bigger but the real problem here is your stack size starting with only 70 big blinds in that case just fold pre UTG+1

Re load pre so we have enough ammo for these types of spots

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02-19-2016 , 12:10 PM

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ASLheadwalk

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I like to short stack bigger games sometimes. The trick is to always be in position and the aggressor. KQ UTG/EP is a fold, especially with such a shallow stack.

Problem is its not relatively a lot of money at risk for the V, I wouldn't be surprised if V had JT or 9T and looked you up.

Also, if the A truly hit you on the turn you'd bet more, no?

On this board that A on the turn is 100% double barrel with 100% of your range, so its a good bet. Stack size and bet size is the problem tho.

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02-19-2016 , 12:26 PM

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whorasaurus

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A+, would double barrel again. But like folks say 80+ tells a more convincing story

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