This is definitely the way to go. Although it's more of a sliding scale, where the smaller the bet gets, the more it should be treated like a check. Stuff like 1/4 and 1/3 pot bets can be tough to face sometimes, because they ride that line. A 1/7th pot bet though I'm definitely just treating like a check.

Someone earlier was worried that the small bet was trying to induce a raise. I never see that, and I guess it varies by casino and might be a real concern some places, but I think it's a bit mubsy. Checking would also induce a bet from us, so it's not like we're getting owned by some super sick tarp if he leads small with a set and we raise. I'm much more concerned that he is going to buy the entire table a cheap card. Obviously hand protection and equity denial are much bigger concerns in these big multiway pots than they are in heads up pots.

The main determinants of winrate at LLSNL are external factors anyway, like how bad the opponents are and how much the rake is. There's no way we can compare winrates with each other unless we play in similar games. I have no idea what my winrate is at 1/2 because I haven't played enough, but since my rake is 10% capped at $15, I assume my winrate will end up being smaller than many people here.

Wowwwww f that dude. You're a beast if your winrate is $1/hr with that rake

1/3 pot size bet is actually normal in a lot of games.

I know I use it alot, in games I play. When table is OMC types.

No reason to bet more

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You sized it right on the flop got a call turned the 2nd nuts and check??? Because you're scared of the straight?? I think you should make the same bet here ($200) and all-in on all rivers. I don't think you can check here OOP on the turn. Nor should you care or be afraid of the straight, if he has it, then so be it pay him off. You're so nutted its not funny you shouldn't be playing scared here.

You're right, I deff misplayed, but I wasn't MUBSy. Sometimes I just think, wtf can V have that'll call. I was idiotically setting a trap and hoping V would bet. Also, V was a cute Filipina MILF that kept rubbing up against me, so that might have influenced my decisions. Also, she had Q9 and though she swore she wouldn't have called any more bets from me, I think she was full of ****.

What can call you on Q97K?

99, 77, KQ, Q9, Q7, 97, maybe K9, K7.

JT of course but doubtful JT calls your 200 flop raise.

Just bet when you got it. I'd be slightly worried it checks through that the river is an A, T, J, or 8.

So you check the turn hoping she bluffs. She doesn't. You check again on the river. Why?

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If I knew the answer this wouldn't have been a thread. Maybe Rich was right & I had cooler aversion tilt.

this was a really strange hand... i def would not raise the $25 to $200 with all the people left behind to act. I prefer to just raise to like $75-100. while i kind of prefer calling, I think calling is tough because we invite everyone else behind us to call as well with like a bunch of different gutshots. my raise is to protect equity and also get value from weaker hands that will lead. if he 3bets us then i can fold without losing much sleep.

AP...i really cant understand how this checks through. the turn check is weird, but when villain checks back, riveri s clear value bet given it doesnt change the board texture immensely. JT would make some sense obviously, but its not the only hand. and for villain to continue to an 8x flop raise, villain must have something strong.. gotta value bet at somepoint

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Don't get this. You'd bet if checked to, right? What is it about someone donking 1/7th pot that changes anything?

You can't allow people to set a tiny bet size like that, either from a theoretical or real-world point of view.

Yeah I'm usually in agreement with amanaplan but this makes no sense to me. We likely have the best hand now but if we flat we give a good price to every crappy draw and one pair hand to come along, they will, and odds are good somebody will spike an Ace, two pair, trips, or a straight. If everyone calls we expect to be good maybe one time in three by the river.

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Q97r isn't a scary enough board for me to slow down by just calling. The board just doesn't offer that many possibilities for made hands. Some people are playing all Q9 for a raise, which is really bad but I digress. Q7o is far from 100% in everybody's ranges. All 97 is more likely than Q7. Oh and we're also scared of QQ, 99, and 77. QQ being more possible than you think but still unlikely. That's actually not a bad flop for kings, even 7 way.

Now say we get a flop like Q98 or JT9 or any mono tone flop, 3 to a straight board, or Ace high flop. Then, I am just DONE. I am not going to try to 'protect' my hand when the board smashes their calling ranges.

Best play IMO: Raise to $100 (and announce to them you have QQ+/AQ to see how they react)

However, problem with best play IMO: When called by anyone, alarm bells go off, we go check/check on turn, and then are forced to fold to their $150-200 bet OTR when they lead out with their missed open-ender (JTs/T8s/86s, all of which 100% call a flop bet of $100 if they were loose enough to call an EPR of $25).

I don't know about announcing our hand. But if turn goes check check I'm calling a river bet except from really passive players. Anyone we suspect is tricky enough to bluff there we should call. Might not even be a bluff in their mind as they could think AQ/KQ/JQ/TQ is a value bet after the turn and river get checked, as these actions underrep our hand. V might think we c bet the flop and gave up.

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One thing that might be illuminating to think about is that based on some back of envelope scrawling from me, we figure to have the best hand right now on the flop something like 2/3 of the time. If we're looking to check/fold anytime someone flats our raise, it follows that we should be raising with AK here because the bluff is going to work enough. Somehow I don't think I'm going to get any takers for that. One of our assumptions is wrong and it's probably the one where nobody flats with worse hands. I don't think people are going to be able to fold AQ here.

Ok your actions make sense now. WP OP.

not even funny.

im not trying to be funny. when V is a cute filipina MILF that is rubbing up against you you have to change your game up. thats GTO.

Ask her if she'd like you to polarize her range imo.

One line that works for me is "hey baby, sex is a positive-sum game, wanna see if we can locate a Nash equilibrium?"

This detail should have been given in the OP! Much easier to give advice if we know all the facts.

Seriously, though, shove river. Awesome bet on turn, but I hope it wasn't a bet/fold for that amount. I, personally, could not have bet/fold a K on the turn, anyway. It would have been a bet/shove.