Hero (1,5k) pretty card dead the whole session and folding a lot. So i guess i had nitty image for the players that didnt know me.
Villain (around 600) wasnt playing many hands so i saw him as nitty. Maybe he was a card dead too. The few hands he raised every body folded pre or there was no showdown. Nerdy looking guy in early 30s. I saw him for the first time so i guess he thought i am pretty tight.

Only hand he went to showdown:


OTTH:

Straddle, Villain limps in mp, hero raises in sb to 50 with AA, old lady calls in bb, guy in straddle folds, villain calls.
Flop (160) KQ5
Hero cbets 50, lady folds, villain calls
Turn (260) KQ57
hero checks, villain bets 100, hero calls
River (460) KQ57Qc
hero checks, villain bets 250, hero?

No brainer call.

When you c-bet less than one-third and check the turn, villain might feel like he has a good opportunity to take down the pot.

Would a tight villain call the straddle from MP with 56hh-TJhh/55 with players left to act? KQs probably makes the most sense I suppose
(Is this a FR table?)

Agree that there are few bluffs that he could have but I don't see how I could fold since his value range is also quite small.
He certainly could also be tilting: card dead, still sitting at $600 etc

Interesting spot indeed.

Not sure you have any other option but to call. Hate the flop cbet, what are you expecting when you raise 50 pre and cbet 60?

The only hand of concern would be KQ, but i suspect v raises that pre. If he limped and flooped a set, nice hand him, we got away cheapishly. However, given v small turn sizing, i'd eliminate sets at some frequency.

He’s not repping much. Most likely value is QxJh or KQ but those will sometimes play different on earlier streets. Flopped flushes might raise flop too. I call here

Based on the history, V would raise AK, so I'd underweight that holding.

Flop - I'd X with the Ah, betting likely folds worse hands on that texture.

Turn - Once V bets, his range leans toward value - JThh/T9hh/98hh/KQ/55. Is he betting a hand like KxJh? Probably not based on his descript.

River - I'd fold given the above range combos and V image.

OTTSpoiler ...

Yeah, I accidentally read some posts beforehand so I couldn't grunch, but I'd be folding the river too. I'm glad to see I'm not being too nitty.

EDIT:Also if he is betting KxJ Ott, I don't think he's ever betting it otr, like I can't see any worse value hands or bluffs at all.

I cbet flop because i wanted to extract some value early in case a scare card like a comes ott and i dont get value. Hands that call now but wont later. Small sizing because i think we dont need to bet big multiway on a monotone board. And i would be betting value and semibluffs for the same sizing. No need to go big i think.

Dont think villain is calling 50 pre with offsuit combos QTo, QJo, KTo or KJo since he will be dominated a lot. Maybe KQo but i guess he would raise pre but could be wrong. Important is that he called a cbet, so he must have something. So if we assume he doesnt have the offsuit Qx combos he either has a K which is checking back almost always otr, 55 or SCs. And the only SCs that are continuing otf are made flushes.
Just my thoughts... maybe im wrong.

Raise bigger pre

Flop good

Bet small turn like 1/3 > check

After checking turn and facing his bet, minraise > call > jam

River after check/call turn I think check raise river is too thin even if there's only like a minraise left but I'm calling because he could realistically play KJ/KT like this considering he's a rec. Not loving it though

What's he thinking though if he bets KJ/KT? IME people are afraid to value bet, and also don't turn top pair into a bluff.

giving how weak we played our hand ; we have to call here
V could have limp called AK, AQ KQ JJ AJ 10 10

We should have bet turn here then I could see a check/fold river but as played calling this

Please explain why and what about the hand was weak and how strong you would have played it

I think I fold here. I'd bet the flop bigger with toppest pair and NFD but really x/c OTT, x/f river seems like an OK line.

Pre is standard for me and its working fine but i could see making it 10 more. I raise oop 40 when oop with straddle +10 for every limper. 35 first in +10 ip.

I thought about betting ott but wanted to pot control against this exact villain and didnt see many worse hands calling ott.

Well if you choose a bad size on the turn like 2/3 pot then sure not many worse hands are calling you. But if you choose a good size like 1/3, 1/4, 1/5, or 1/6 then a lot of worse hands are calling you while drawing extremely thin. I think 1/3 is likely the best size here as it's the "biggest" small bet I think you can make while still getting called by hands with less than 10% equity. Checking the turn ranges from completely indifferent/fine to a very large mistake depending on your opponents tendencies. Leaning towards the overall population tendency that players are more likely to make passive calling mistakes with bad hands than rather turn a hand like Ax9h into a double barrel bluff, I lean towards checking the turn being a mistake.

As for preflop size, saying something is "standard for you" as a justification usually isn't a sign of a good player who's willing to learn/adjust. But yea raise size preflop in this spot is a relatively minor thing, also he started only 60 str deep so ya ok. However I find preflop ranges tend to be very inelastic and I want to find the size that people will actually consider folding or punish them so severely for putting in large amounts of chips with garbage, while also tightening my range linearly (depending on how loose they limp/call).

I think this hand can help highlight the benefits to using small sizes on textures like this.

Like we could bet 90 with a wide variety of hands that want to bluff this turn like AhJ, AhT, and value bets as well. On this texture a lot of our value bets have plenty of equity v a flush too, so we can call a fair amount too.


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Continuing ott for like 1/3 makes sense. Should have done that.

As for preflop size...with standard i didnt mean i never deviate. Thats just the standard sizing i use. But of course im making it bigger if there is a player involved that always wants to see a flop. It just depends on the players. Against this player i thought he would fold if i make it bigger. And it would be a mistake to make him fold when we crush his range.

others have all ready touched on the reasons but

I would check the turn if I thought V was capable of bluffing river or value betting AK in this spot.

I would bet turn for same reason you stated you made a small c-bet on flop, to extract some more value from weaker hands

look at V's perspective
you made a small c-bet and then checked a blank,
V bet thinking he could buy it right there on the turn . doubt he value bets AQ here .
river sucks but we are WA/WB here and given that we checked turn I'm calling here

How deep is BB? I probably check flop with the intention of x/r all-in given you are only $600 eff vs. villain.

River seems like a snap call.

I like the idea of x/jamming but not against this player type. I think he is never calling with worse.

Anyways i folded otr. The river bet also felt so value heavy like please call me.
Villain later told me before leaving that he had JT but not sure if its true even though he seemed to be honest.

You actually want a heart to come. Combos like KxJh or KxTh are more likely to call bigger turn/river when a heart comes than give you 2 streets of value with just one pair.

Flop check is okay too. One of the few times you don't need to protect against flush draws. Good board to pot-control with.