$900 ES

TAG hero raises $20 with KJ in HJ. BB calls.

Flop ($40): KJJ
Hero cbets $20

Never seen BB before but he's been tight. Looks like a recreational player in his 30s. He won a monster pot but I forgot how because I was talking with my buddy next to me. It wasn't anything special. He either had a hand that held up or made a draw. But it wasn't like an elaborate bluff or insane call off with a GS.

I bet for a ton of reasons. I'd bluff here with hands like 78 or A5, so I should also bet monsters. Diamonds will call. TP will call. QT will call. I'd love for a J to raise, especially since we're deep. And this range hits me so checking is kinda suspicious (even though this last point is less important).

I told my buddy (a good pro) what I had and he insisted that I should have checked. Thought I'd ask you guys. Check or bet?

BB checked, right? This looks 100% fine. Sorry he folded.

Definitely like betting here. Flush draw and straight draws that definitely call.
Every K calls and the last J as well.

Really no reason to check behind unless he is so tight that only him catching up lets him put more money in.

I would probably check one street. There are some hands that will call this flop, but more hands will call if you let them see one more card. Its pretty rare to win a huge pot when you flop a boat so missing out on one street of value is made up for by the times he wouldnt have called a flop bet but the turn will give him something he can call with.

Always always bet here. This board is super wet, people are nonbelievers when you bet paired boards as the PFR, and you guys are ~200bb deep. You flopped the nuts, start building a pot. If this dude has any equity he's not folding the flop. Checking is missing so much value in the long run.

Yeah me too lol

- Board is one you "should" bet, this is villain dependant though
- Board is wet
- Effective stacks are deep

Checking is bad IMO unless you have particular reads.

head up it is really hard for him to have anything if you flop a boat. so, depending on how deep you are, you might or might not bet that flop. the deeper you are, the more I would want to bet that flop.

so for 900 deep stacks, yes. baby bet that flop

+1

Depends what range you put him on. If he would call KQ or K10 or J10 type hands pre, then bet, otherwise I'd check behind to allow him to catch up or bluff since you have a strangle hold on the deck right now.

obviously bet
how else are you going to get money in the pot

I think that's been established. The other way we can get money in the pot is by letting villain improve. Some people wont chase a flush or straight draw on a paired board. Betting is fine but so is checking. We will never know which is better without knowing what villain has.

Mandatory bet. MikeStarr, there are so few turn cards that will let V continue if he wasn't going to pay a small bet to continue on the flop. Do we really think that V is going to start putting money in with, say, A8 if an 8c comes on the turn?

The range you can get value from OTF is so wide. The case J, Kx, QT, diamonds, AQ/AT/T9/Q9 might peel, even lower PP might peel once. Any hand the V could have where the turn card could convince him to play a big pot is a hand that will call a flop bet.

Always betting here to get money in the pot. What if he has a jack or a king, you will lose value when it goes check/check.

so if your buddy is telling you to slow play a monster rather than try to get money in the pot, he might not be the greatest pro after all

we are in position and the V has checked to us so this doesn't really apply. But still....bet

i think the best sizing is 10 dollars. think about everything that that accomplishes.

yeah haha I changed it before you repsonded.

slow playing is for 1/2 recreational players

Im going to be contrarian here just to be a dick, but in these Low Stakes Live Games, you do not need to have balance unless you are playing against a person who you are playing countless hours against, which is why I like a check back here.

we're not betting for "balance". we're betting because we have a good hand and we want money to go into the pot.

Im not against betting here, but think about this. If hero had AA on this same KJJ flop, a lot of people would tell him he has to bet because there are so many straight draws, flush draws, gutshots out there and you cant afford to give a free card. I am saying that this is the perfect flop to give those same people a free card to hit one of those.

If the guy has a J, you can still get all in by the river. If he has a K, you can still make some money also.

If I bet, I would make it small. Only a total fish will call a 3/4 pot sized bet with QT. If villain is a total fish then by all means fire away full pot

Except those hands you're talking about will all pay to see the turn card, so there is no reason to give a free one.

we literally cannot get all the money in if he has a jack and we check the flop. if we bet $10, he makes it $50, we make it $150. bet $225 on the turn. shove river for $505.

You realize how few combos remain for villain to have a GII range? Most likely will only be able to get 2 streets from a King.

If villain has a J, he leads turn, we raise and he calls or does something stupid and then we can bet the river.

Not saying I bet or check here 100% of the time, depends who the villain is and if I have history. But readless, my default here is to check in position and see if villain spazzes.

that's not how you make money