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Old 01-13-2018, 05:26 PM   #1
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5/5, Flop middle set on wet board

I feel kind of guilty since I get so much out of 2+2 , but have never contributed. So to start the new year off right, Iím posting my first hand.

Floor opens new 5/5 game with $1K max buy-in. Have been at the table for about 30 min and have been getting way more than my share of raising starting hands. Therefore, Iím pretty sure the table sees me as a LAG. V1 has limped/called a few times, have not seen him raise pre flop yet. V2 has flatted a few raises, including mine, but hasnít gone past the flop. Never played with either player prior to this. OTTH:

UTG limps
V1 UTG1 limps ($740)
Hero HJ 9h9d raise to 30 (covers)
V2 BTN calls ($125)
SB, BB, UTG fold, V1 calls

Flop: Ks 9c 8c ($98)

V1 checks, H bets $75, V2 jams for $95, V1 calls, H calls $20 more.
Pretty wet board, definitely Kís and drawing hands will call. Though about full pot bet, but settled on $75.

Turn: Qd ($383)

V1 checks, H bets $300. V1 tanks for a minute and calls. J 10 hits but still am ahead of most hands. Initially thought about the overbet Jam for $615, but quickly dismissed.

River: 10s ($983)

V1 immediately jams for $315. Hero?


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Old 01-13-2018, 05:39 PM   #2
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Re: 5/5, Flop middle set on wet board

Id say you have to sigh call. You've got to be good more than one time in 5. Lots of hands he could be turning into a bluff here.
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:15 PM   #3
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Re: 5/5, Flop middle set on wet board

Sigh call. Not much else to do. He could so easily have two pair. Really lousy all the way around, though.
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:35 PM   #4
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Re: 5/5, Flop middle set on wet board

Either bet $45 or check flop. As played stuff turn.
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:33 PM   #5
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Re: 5/5, Flop middle set on wet board

Flop should be $55-65 imo. Turn, no more than $275. I think I'd go ~$250. Seems like we're targeting just the top of V's range/denying equity, which polarizes us & nuts V more than needed. Most straights, especially those w/out club blockers raise turn fearing a club runout so there's another reason we can go a bit less I think. Since we've dumped so much into the pot, we can't fold given the price at the river.

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Old 01-13-2018, 10:11 PM   #6
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Re: 5/5, Flop middle set on wet board

Betting $75 on flop was bad vs a guy with only $125 behind that isn't folding often.

Make it $45 - and when he jams his $95 you can back raise over any one who calls to protect your hand.


Turn bet is too small with that many draws. As played you priced yourself in, and cannot fold. He could have 2 pairs or missed flush draws.
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Old 01-13-2018, 11:28 PM   #7
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5/5, Flop middle set on wet board

Thanks for all the great feedback.

As for the flop, I didnít even think about sizing my bet to $45 to come over the top of V2ís jam. I wish I would have taken some time to think about it.

As for the turn, I can see merit for betting a little smaller to include more of V1s range, but I donít know if shoving is the right play. I think I fold out almost all of V1s draws and really only get called by the nuts

(SPOILER)
After cursing my bad luck, I do some really bad quick math in my head and think Iím only getting just over 3 to 1 on a call (its actually just over 4 to 1). I take only about 30 seconds and donít think Iím good that often against 2 people. That combined with the fact that V1 jammed into a somewhat protected pot, I fold.

V1 tables Qc 10c for 2 pair and takes the side pot. V2 tables Kh 10h and takes the main.

I canít believe I didnít call. Oh and this happened at the Bike.


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Old 01-14-2018, 04:33 AM   #8
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Re: 5/5, Flop middle set on wet board

Preflop: I like it.
Flop: I'd strongly consider betting $45 here just so that the action is back on us if the shorty jams. But otherwise, $75 is okay.
Turn: I like it. Good sizing.
River: If villain jammed instantly then I'm calling. If he tanked for a few seconds before jamming then it's a much closer spot, but I still probably call because he has a lot of 2pr combos here. In general, you'll find that people tend to overbluff 4 straight boards, so I'll often hero call sets and 2pr in these situations.
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Old 01-14-2018, 06:35 PM   #9
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Re: 5/5, Flop middle set on wet board

As others have said size down otf. Folding river is probably fine against a solid opponent, obviously after seeing results this guy is certainly not solid.

P.s What a ****in phenomenal 5/5 game you're playing in
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Old 01-14-2018, 10:24 PM   #10
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Re: 5/5, Flop middle set on wet board

After playing with the 2 villains for the next 4 hours, I definitely agree with everyone that I should have called the river. Even without prior knowledge of villains, I believe I should have called. Like others have said, too many combos to bluff with.

And yes...not difficult at all to find a great 5/5 game at the Bike. Especially on the weekends


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Old 01-15-2018, 04:44 PM   #11
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Re: 5/5, Flop middle set on wet board

This is actually something pretty common. Villains merge a lot without really realizing what they are doing.
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Old 01-16-2018, 01:02 AM   #12
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Re: 5/5, Flop middle set on wet board

We didn't have to pot the turn.

When the turn come Ks9c8cQd, its scary for everyone and there's no need to start adding to the $60 side pot.

With 383 in both pots and 615 left in stacks we can check back the turn and call a bet of up to 270 on almost any river card.
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Old 01-16-2018, 12:42 PM   #13
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Re: 5/5, Flop middle set on wet board

I'm betting $400 on the turn - an over bet is fine in this spot where half the deck on the river is going to be ugly. If he has the magic JT or a higher set - i'm fine with going broke here. Just unlucky
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Old 01-16-2018, 12:46 PM   #14
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Re: 5/5, Flop middle set on wet board

Quote:
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This is actually something pretty common. Villains love to button-click.
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