Then you need to work on your board texture reading.

This was a limped pot, and every SC QJ-43 and S1g J9-42 hit either an oesd, gutshot or pair. And its two tone (which leads to a more dynamic flop and more draws than monotone)

WRT fold pre comments, These forums are filled to the gills with hands like AJo/KQo from the SB facing a raise from a good player, and people say calling or 3 betting is good or marginal, folding makes you a nit, but yet iso raise with 97o from the button deepstacked into weak players is "hurr durr fold pre /thread" with little argument?

This is a clear EV+ raise if you have any capability to apply aggression beyond a cbet, and if you fold in spots like these you are massively undervaluing position, isolating limpers to face capped ranges, and being able to choose your opponent.

im playing 97o vs limpers in the button all day, heck im playing 96o, im playing Q2s, im playing 32o.

(for comparison, here are some threads on OOP AJo/KQo)

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1.../#post52923202

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...blind-1690156/

yeah i definitely fold AJ KQ no problem OOP to a good players raise. most people overvalue their cards and massively undervalue position and initiative.

and yes thank you I'm raising this hand because my opponents are paper machete. they dont 3bet me often enough and will play fit or fold on the flop and signal to me when i can steamroll them off the hand. also raising in this spot and others like it keeps my pfr high and conversely gets me loose action with my big hands. just like doyle teachs in super system. most people are playing scared.

If you were as goat post as you thought you were that you could open 97o and just blast the fish then you wouldn't have to make this garbage thread.

Salty much?

So your contention is that I'm not as good a poker player as I think I am. And the proof is that I made a thread discussing how to play a hand. How does that even make sense?

1) The goal is to get HU. That doesnt always happen. the downside is when your iso doesnt work, here it went 4 ways, and position is devalued the more players in the hand. He mightve raised too little, but if 30 usually isos here, then, whelp, sometimes this happens.

2) thats literally exactly what he did?

3) im impressed you managed to get more than 10 words into your post for once, but of course its so you can break the forum rules by making a personal attack against someone instead of breaking the forum rules with a low content post.

BANG BANG!

No. You guys are just trying to justify button clicking. Why even bother looking at your cards pre?

And not a personal attack but if smug op describes himself as solid scary lag and would bet his life this is a good open, then this should be a standard easy hand post. So this thread is just a useless condescending brag or something.

im not condescending or bragging. im trying to share my knowledge bro. what do i say in my OP that has a condescending tone? is the fact that i think i know enough about poker to make a post to educate others rather than seek advice myself mean im automatically condescending? no. seriously i reread my OP and it doesn't come across as smug to me, i think you are projecting your own insecurities here. maybe you aren't as good as a poker player as me. that's ok.

if you think im just clicking buttons and getting lucky then you are entitled to stay close minded and keep your winrate minimal to nonexistent. thats your prerogative.

fwiw there are situations where you literally don't need to look at your cards pre. here is an example that happened to me yesterday. a new player to the table opened to 20 from MP and everyone folded to me on the BB. the player is talking to another player at the table and engaged in casual conversation about something. this is a huge tell. when people get premium hands there demeanor usually changes they become quieter and more closed off. so this guy talking and being super casual is just him asking me to take this pot away from him. I look down at 72os literally. well it doesn't matter I'm going to 3bet and this guy aint calling. I make it 90 and he folds. easy game dude.

im playing the player not my cards dude. thats poker.



look at what a noob this Ivey guy is going all-in preflop with 52os!

actually the question of whether you should turn second pair into a bluff in a 4 way pot IP facing a 1/3rd pot donk bet is interesting. And im the one who said that folding 97o pre on the bottom is far nittier than folding KQo/AJo, not the OP. Nice to know you put as little effort into reading as you do your posts.

The fact of the matter is that this post by you is a continuation of regular bad behavior that I have consistently reported you for. You provide zero content posts, very often trolling the OP about their thread.

I feel the posters of this forum ought to get an explanation from the mods as to why you have not been permanently banned for your consistent rule breaking and trolling.

These are the rules of the forums: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...sting-1031043/

quoted, bolded by me for emphasis:

This is exactly what you do. In fact the word "terrible" is your word of choice when you give zero reasoning for why whatever OP did was terrible.

actual quotes by you in these forums:

near zero content, tells the person to cash out.

basically says OP isnt as good as he thinks he is, calls the thread garbage.

you do have the option to just not post in the thread.

from other threads (link to thread above quote)

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...47/?highlight=

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...17/?highlight=

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...40/?highlight=

My personal favorite because its almost verbatim the same content as the content which supposedly earns you a perma ban:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...80/?highlight=

I only went back about 1 week, but youve been doing this for months, and in just that one week's time i count 8 instances which according to the rules shouldve permanently banned you.

You're playing against the literal worst poker players on Earth at Commerce 300-500. You would think that at some point, you might actually want to improve past beating up on nice-guy 40 something Russian guys.

Meanwhile, you luckboxed having someone like cicakman still willing to come in here and tell you matter-of-factly that you're playing real real bad and, yet, the lightbulb still won't turn on.

No way man. I only wish I had someone better than me shoot me one-lined hard truths 15 years ago - even if there was no corrective action attached.

I'm not quite sure I get your post. Let me try. I'm playing against bad players. I should want to improve past beating up on niceguy 40yo Russians (weak player).

Where in my OP do I claim to not want to beat other players. Why is my trying to iso and beat this guy a problem for you??

In poker you make money by trying to play more hands with weaker players and trying to avoid playing hands with the better players. Im not saying I'm not beating those better players but you make it seem like I should be going after the good players or something to try to get better. I'm not sure what you are getting at.

I like how you think I luckboxed because some nit named cikaman comes into my thread to insult me personally. Giving me sub-par advice to boot, which apparently you agree with. I'll stick with my results being evidence of my superior play. Hopefully someone reading this thread will have learned you don't have to play like a nit.

I beat up on everybody at the table, some more than others. Don't play scared, don't play passively. Play aggressive there comes a time when you have to get in there and gamble if you want to be a real big winner in No limit hold em. ~super/system

I made 100 bucks in a pot you would just give up on. And I'm going to get paid with my big hands because I'm in there mixing it up with people and they see that. Cant hold a candle to me!

This. Recognizing which posters actually know what they're talking about in LLSNL can be crucial for your development as a player. Some people itt might be better off opening their eyes instead of their mouths...

do you guys deny my results? please explain why this is a fold pre?

first, you are saying "no way man" to a fact i stated, you can disagree with what the rules should be, but the rules pretty clearly state these types of posts will have you banned.

Second, Every thread created in this forum gets like 20+ comments including this one. I can say with 100% accuracy that if this guy's posts were removed, the amount of "hard truth" being given to our posters would remain the same.

The forum rules are set forth to avoid "information" like this which is low on content and high on antagonism, because there are many other good posters who can come in and give advice with more information and without attitude. The fact is that even if in a vacuum this guy's advice would be better than nothing, he isnt the only shop in town, and fact is he is just adding noise to threads with no real insight that isnt already given by someone else.

This thread is a perfect example. Fold pre and cash out was not helpful or a hard truth. Not only was his tiniest nugget of info something which was already going to be posted in the thread ad nauseum, I also disagree with it. And again, this guy isnt doing it in one thread with the guy nobody likes as OP, he is doing it on a daily basis and has been for months.

nobody likes me?

people have not seemed to take kindly to you, probably because you are immodest. Everyone wants to put you in your place because you describe yourself as very good, and people tend to assume immodest people are arrogant, maybe you are. I dont have an issue with you.

TTHRIC. Neither cicakman nor OP are as good as they think they are, and both have been infracted for bad posting. Both should stop it.

OP, if you want to post "to educate others rather than seek advice," do so overtly. Pretend advice-seeking threads that are actually designed to make a point are not allowed. Just make your point and give a HH to illustrate it. Be prepared for people to disagree, but if you aren't trying to learn something don't end your post with "What's the right play here?"

Also, your results don't mean much until you can actually afford a solid BR and a place to live. Until you've earned enough for that, no, your results don't speak for themselves.

Not that I disagree with your play in this particular hand, but it doesn't make you godlike and SuperSystem1 is not the be all and end all of poker.