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5/5 -EV bluffcatcher vs capable reg? 5/5 -EV bluffcatcher vs capable reg?

03-17-2019 , 05:48 PM
5/5, 1K eff

V is mid 20s Asian backpack kid, never played with before.

Hero with 55 in UTG1 limp
BTN ^30, only I call

Flop (70): 7 6 2
H x, V bet 40, H call

Turn (150): 3
H x, V bet 125, H call

River (400): 2
H x, V bet 245, H call

Is this -EV readless against a capable unknown? He somewhat polarized himself on the turn with his sizing to straight/sets and missed spades, although he certainly could have overpairs in his range at a partial frequency. Is this a profitable call with blockers to the nuts? My EP limp call range is pretty narrow and admittedly unbalanced to 22-66, small SCs and A2, A3.
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03-17-2019 , 06:00 PM
Why are you limping pre?
Why not just open? What's the plan here?

Why are you calling on this flop?
Isn't the plan with 55 from UTG to hit a set or let the hand go?
I'd probably fold here.

How are you still calling the turn? I'd definetely fold here.

Oh you called the river as well? Why?

Are you a call station? This is how call stations play. No offense intended.


Open pre, do not limp, it's bad!
Cbet / fold the flop.
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03-17-2019 , 07:16 PM
I don't mind the limp/call line at a passive table but when villain raises and there is nobody else in the pot folding is best. With a better read on how much villain will lose if you hit your set and how to play the hand if you miss it could be OK.

On the flop it's best to fold. It's another situation where you could consider calling with a better read but you don't have it yet. The reasons to call here is either you intend to bluff later in the hand or you know villain makes a lot of one stab c-bets and then gives up. In the first case you would lead or check/raise the turn and in the second you give up when you continues. But without a read on villain's play you are flying blind.

Turn puts you in the same situation again. Villain's sudden large bet probably means something but you have no idea yet. What does it say about villain's hand strength? Is he trying to bully you with air/draw or does he have a good hand and is trying to charge your draws? You don't know.

As played the river is meh, whatever. Without a good read there is no way to know if villain has enough bluffs in his range but I would expect he has some. In general I would expect fold is slightly better then call but not hugely.

The real point I would see here is that you shouldn't be getting to the river this way without a better read. With a weak made hand you have stumbled into a call down line with no idea where you stand at any point.
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03-17-2019 , 07:59 PM
Shove turn.
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03-17-2019 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
Shove turn.
What worse hands are calling our shove?
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03-17-2019 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Yeodan
What worse hands are calling our shove?
Zero. Wrong question.
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03-17-2019 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
Zero. Wrong question.
What better hands are folding?
Maybe some strange x7 or x6, doesn't seem worth it to risk our entire stack though.
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03-17-2019 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Yeodan
What better hands are folding?
Maybe some strange x7 or x6, doesn't seem worth it to risk our entire stack though.
You were set mining. It’s ok if you want to fold flop. I ain’t gonna limp call ckc ckc ckc away my life,
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03-17-2019 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
You were set mining. It’s ok if you want to fold flop. I ain’t gonna limp call ckc ckc ckc away my life,
Oh, I agree shoving turn would be a better play than calling it, hmm maybe ...

As played, I'd fold every single street and I think folding is optimal on every single street.
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03-17-2019 , 09:27 PM
Preflop- On soft 5/5 tables that are pretty passive pre I think l/c’ing small pairs and sometimes SCs/suites aces if stacks are deepish. Calling 25 to win 1K is plenty implied odds to call IMO.

Flop- IMO I made the biggest mistake here. As above, I basically called to set mine and should be folding when I miss, especially with 2 overs. I was feeling spewy and floated vs V’s likely wide range that includes a bunch of overcards. I do have backdoor flush and straight equity that may allow me to continue on a decent number of turn cards. But yes, this is a clear fold.

Turn- Raising or jamming is absolutely the worst here, you fold out all his bluffs and only get called by better? Why shove when we sometimes have the best hand? I think real question is calling vs folding. I’m still honestly unsure, as I’m likely going to have to call rivers as well given his large-ish polarized sizing. On one hand I do block 54 and V could still be stabbing with a lot here on a board that’s bad for V’s range. On the other hand, I don’t block any 2p or sets and only picked up gutshot equity.

River- have to call on this card if I’m calling turn. I can fold flush-completing cards.
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03-17-2019 , 09:33 PM
Limping pre is ok but fold vs a 6x btn iso

Basically when we open limp small pairs like this we are hoping for a particular series of events to take place...none of those happened and instead we got the nut worst outcome regarding action/sizing/villain/position

Its ok to limp fold.

Really you could just open 3x tho.
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03-17-2019 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3
Preflop- On soft 5/5 tables that are pretty passive pre I think l/c’ing small pairs and sometimes SCs/suites aces if stacks are deepish. Calling 25 to win 1K is plenty implied odds to call IMO.

Flop- IMO I made the biggest mistake here. As above, I basically called to set mine and should be folding when I miss, especially with 2 overs. I was feeling spewy and floated vs V’s likely wide range that includes a bunch of overcards. I do have backdoor flush and straight equity that may allow me to continue on a decent number of turn cards. But yes, this is a clear fold.

Turn- Raising or jamming is absolutely the worst here, you fold out all his bluffs and only get called by better? Why shove when we sometimes have the best hand? I think real question is calling vs folding. I’m still honestly unsure, as I’m likely going to have to call rivers as well given his large-ish polarized sizing. On one hand I do block 54 and V could still be stabbing with a lot here on a board that’s bad for V’s range. On the other hand, I don’t block any 2p or sets and only picked up gutshot equity.

River- have to call on this card if I’m calling turn. I can fold flush-completing cards.
Ok so you want to call ‘this’ turn and then lose when it goes ck ck when a spade hits and lose when it goes ck bet when a spade hits and lose when it goes ck ck when a spade doesn’t hit and then maybe win when a spade doesn’t hit and it goes ck bet call. K.

You have 22-77/54s plenty ott, you can raise and fold out better and fold out his equity.
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03-17-2019 , 09:45 PM
If youre using a limping strategy 55 is a fold vs 6x sizing in this spot. And im guessing you dont limp your entire range pre so youre probably unbalanced and only limp 22-77 and some other ****. Makes you easy to play against. Imo either limp your whole range or raise your whole range (spoiler alert you should probably raise your whole range).

Flop fine

We can think about folding turn vs this size, id fold readless

River easy fold. We block way more bluffs than value.
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03-17-2019 , 09:56 PM
Don't open limp. I open 55 in EP in soft lineups and fold 22-66 in medium - tough ones.

Fold flop. Fold turn. Fold river. Seems like the plan pre is to hit a set. It doesn't happen. Let it go.
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03-18-2019 , 01:14 AM
The only reason to limp in this spot is because there’s some whale in the blinds that is dying to punt it off, fold pre twice
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03-18-2019 , 02:28 AM
This is very -EV just check calling all the way through. The only way you're winning is if V is 3 barrel bluffing which just seems so weird in this spot.

I would just fold turn especially if you don't have info on the player, I don't like to gamble with people that I haven't played with before with marginal hands. If you are really trying to make a move though, check raising at some point to apply pressure is better than check calling all the way here. At least you know where you stand if you get called.
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