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5/5 Deep stacked with AA 5/5 Deep stacked with AA

04-13-2016 , 04:11 PM
1 limper
Solid Reg that plays for a living raises to 20 in CO
Hero has AA on button 3bet to 70.
Folded to CO, he flats.
Effective stack 1.8k

Flop J25 rainbow. CO check I bet 110 into 150 pot.
Turn blank (there are 2 clubs now, hero has no Club). CO checks, and hero checks (Pot control/deception...could i have Double barrel?? puts me in a tough spot if i get raised though)

River blank but complete backdoor flush.
CO overbets 500 into pot of 370. Hero?
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04-13-2016 , 04:21 PM
His sizing doesn't seem like he's trying to valuebet A-J, Jx or even QQ.

I'd say you're up against pocket 5s or a made BD flush 75% of the time here.

Probably best to make a crying fold.
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04-13-2016 , 04:26 PM
yeah bet the turn for value. If he raises you, it really depends on what the turn card actually is and his raise size. We can always fold, we're not forced to call.

(I don't mind the check for deception more than pot control that I would follow it up with a bet otr that can get called light, or to induce a river bluff which is prob what he did).

as played, your line looks very weak like AQ/AK and I would call. If he's a pro he's using the BDF to his advantage.

the turn card and river card values would help.
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04-13-2016 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by whysocold
1 limper
Solid Reg that plays for a living raises to 20 in CO
Hero has AA on button 3bet to 70. Folded to CO, he flats. Effective stack 1.8k

Flop J25 rainbow. CO check I bet 110 into 150 pot.
Turn blank (there are 2 clubs now, hero has no Club). CO checks, and hero checks (Pot control/deception...could i have Double barrel?? puts me in a tough spot if i get raised though)

River blank but complete backdoor flush.
CO overbets 500 into pot of 370. Hero?
I'm telling you something you probably are not aware of.
First of all: Why check behind on the turn? - That's b***t of pot control. You got to bet and reevaluate if you get raised.

Why?

Because: Let's say the opponent hit top-pair on the flop: He's got KJ and flopped to make two Jacks. Now he's got 5 outs to improve on the next card. Let's say he missed the turn card and checks, you also check behind. This means you give his another chance to make two pair. You got only 2 outs vs. his 5 outs. Who do you think will make more money in the long run?

Sorry to say but your play is a weak and in the long run generates very little (it depends what opponent you got) (even AA play that way will make little or not money at all). The horrible KJ will make more money or break even vs. your AA played that way (depending what you make when you both missed to improve).

You got to double barrel and reevaluate if get raised on the TURN. The magic word is "the TURN"

Last edited by MamaRolex; 04-13-2016 at 04:43 PM.
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04-13-2016 , 04:33 PM
What is your image to CO? If you know he is a solid reg who plays for a living, he should have just as good a view of you.
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04-13-2016 , 04:36 PM
as played fold, but definatly double barrel this spot.
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04-13-2016 , 04:38 PM
@MamaRolex, I highly doubt V will call a 3b oop with KJ...but yeah, i get what u are trying to say..

@Mr.Curious, I've only played with V like 3 sessions..but i believe he views me as a solid tag
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04-13-2016 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by whysocold
@MamaRolex, I highly doubt V will call a 3b oop with KJ...but yeah, i get what u are trying to say..
OK, then KJs, QJo, QJs, JTo, JTs, J9s for the fish, whatever. Why give him 5 outs for free?
Most of the time he'll miss but 5 outs will create hell for hero if he doesn't play AA very well.
5 times he makes two pair and AA don't improve the hero is 18% vs. 82% (that's more like 1:4), the goddamned AA are almost drawing dead for 2 outs with one card to come. That's a terrible play for AA.

I understand what "pot control is but with AA, KK we got to double barrel (flop and turn if A didn't show when we got KK). As I said before: "the TURN" is the magic word. We pot control with other hands but with AA/KK we reevaluate on the turn after we bet it.

And another thing it's gonna happened on the turn. The 4th card will definitely put out there some kind of draw. Even a got shot of 4 outs. So, why give it for free (4 or 5 outs) to the fish?

Last edited by MamaRolex; 04-13-2016 at 05:06 PM.
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04-13-2016 , 04:52 PM
if he flatted oop and is really a pro, most of his flatting range will be PP's.
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04-13-2016 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
if he flatted oop and is really a pro, most of his flatting range will be PP's.
When a pro flats the flop and got PPs he's getting 4 cards (flop + turn) to make a set. 1 in 6 times when everybody else gets 3 cards on the flop and after that folds (1 in 8 times). This is one of the many reasons pros make more money.

So, if one wants to improve his game he's got to:
1.) Double barrel with over-pairs, especially with AA and KK
2.) Play professionally PPs
3.) Play AK aggressive to knock out other AK, QQ, JJ and TT
4.) Use "pro table talk" to get called on your big hands

The above points will definitely make you a winning player if the rest you play basic.

Last edited by MamaRolex; 04-13-2016 at 05:16 PM.
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04-13-2016 , 05:42 PM
Note: What's your image? What does V think about you? Pretty important in deciding what to do on the river.

PF: OK

F(150): SPR is 12. Bet is fine. When he calls, I've got him on KK, QQ, or JJ. I think that's about it (of course may he has AA too).

T(370): I would bet here to target KK or QQ. Not really much read on villain except "Solid Reg", so maybe there is a check turn to induce V to bet river line that is appropriate.

R(370): Wow, that sucks. Well...I doubt he has the backdoor flush draw unless he floated you OOP with AK on the flop. Does he do this with JJ or is he turning QQ into a bluff here? What V thinks of you would really help here. Not sure what to say. I think I want to call here becasue we seem weak on the turn and he think he can blow us off AA or KK by overbetting the pot, but again I don't have any read on his style and I don't know our image.
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