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12-09-2019 , 06:41 PM
5/5 game playing pretty soft. There’s a couple tight regs, a couple calling stations and one huge spot, he’s the main villain, and he’s sitting on my direct right.

Villain (1200) opens CO to 15. He tends to open fairly wide, and proceeds to play fairly loose post flop. He’s been involved in a lot of big pots and his stack is swinging.

Hero (850) is BTN w QThd. I haven’t played too many pots, but those that I have I either cbet/give up, and I cbet/continue and then I have a big hand. I decide I want to establish a 3bet dynamic with this villain, especially BTN v CO. I’ve 3bet him twice so far in about 4 hours but those were when he was opening from EP. Also I think there’s a ton of value in isolating this spot, since there’s 2 tight regs in the blinds that will likely come along as well if I flat, and then it will be hard to pick in v too much.
Hero 3bets to 55.

Both blinds fold, and CO calls.

HU
(120) flop KJJccs
X hero bet 55, v calls.

(230) turn Tc
X x?

(230) riv 7c
V pauses, deliberately rechecks his hole cards, stares at me, and checks. Hero?
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12-09-2019 , 07:28 PM
How has his river calling behavior been?

If I go for it I'm going like 350, not as a joke.
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12-09-2019 , 08:26 PM
I'm just checking and taking my SDV here.

I don't like the 3bet at all. This spot seems like a good spot to widen your 3bet range (as you deduced) but I'd recommend doing this by widening your 3bet range in a linear manner, not just choosing hands to "go for it".

So, I'd probably look to 3bet suited broadways, suited connectors, 88+, low suited aces, etc - if you want to widen it further, add some suited one-gappers like J9s and QT - even some low suited Ks if you want to go real wide.

QTo just isn't good enough imo. I think I prefer just laying this down pre.
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12-09-2019 , 08:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Colombo
I'm just checking and taking my SDV here.

I don't like the 3bet at all. This spot seems like a good spot to widen your 3bet range (as you deduced) but I'd recommend doing this by widening your 3bet range in a linear manner, not just choosing hands to "go for it".

So, I'd probably look to 3bet suited broadways, suited connectors, 88+, low suited aces, etc - if you want to widen it further, add some suited one-gappers like J9s and QTs.

QTo just isn't good enough, I think I prefer just laying this down pre.
Yeah this is a sound approach.
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12-09-2019 , 08:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Colombo
I'm just checking and taking my SDV here.

I don't like the 3bet at all. This spot seems like a good spot to widen your 3bet range (as you deduced) but I'd recommend doing this by widening your 3bet range in a linear manner, not just choosing hands to "go for it".

So, I'd probably look to 3bet suited broadways, suited connectors, 88+, low suited aces, etc - if you want to widen it further, add some suited one-gappers like J9s and QT - even some low suited Ks if you want to go real wide.

QTo just isn't good enough imo. I think I prefer just laying this down pre.
Agree with this.

It is hard for you to rep value OTR after you check turn as you are likely barrelling boats and turned NFD.

QTo is pretty much a trash hand to open, 3-bet or call with in most dynamics.
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12-09-2019 , 10:10 PM
If he plays loose preflop I think you don't have much fold equity so QTo is less desirable of a 3bet hand.

As played I might bomb the river given that tell - seems strongly likely he has a weak flush and is trying to scare you from betting. That said your line would look fishy as you didn't bet turn.
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12-09-2019 , 10:27 PM
Obviously the suited variety is a lot better but pre is fine imo. It may help you win a big pot against villain later on in the session. Most people will disagree though.

Maybe you could consider a x. back OTF against this villain? I think we should be more inclined to bet against a nit or when we don’t flop so much equity against his range.

AP easy x. back imo. There’s no need to turn our hand into a bluff when he could have easily have 88-99
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12-10-2019 , 05:22 AM
QTo might be one of the least playable hands to 3b when you’re never going to be happy putting in a bunch of money unless you have 2p+ I’d rather call and play in position, you’re just getting too many folds and continuing ranges are bad for your hand.

As played, check it back and move on
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12-10-2019 , 08:44 AM
Where was this hand played? Sounds like I table I was at over the weekend and I vaguely remember this hand...
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12-10-2019 , 11:55 AM
Agree QTo is not a great candidate for widening your 3bet range -- I do like your idea, though.

As played, after checking turn, I take my showdown value.
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12-10-2019 , 01:00 PM
I don't think there is much value in betting here. I'm happy to take the sdv here.
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12-10-2019 , 10:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Colombo
I'm just checking and taking my SDV here.

I don't like the 3bet at all. This spot seems like a good spot to widen your 3bet range (as you deduced) but I'd recommend doing this by widening your 3bet range in a linear manner, not just choosing hands to "go for it".

So, I'd probably look to 3bet suited broadways, suited connectors, 88+, low suited aces, etc - if you want to widen it further, add some suited one-gappers like J9s and QT - even some low suited Ks if you want to go real wide.

QTo just isn't good enough imo. I think I prefer just laying this down pre.
fair enough i think ur right that suited gappers and KXs will be better than off suit broadways i just kinda figured i could go super wide here given the live dynamic and the fact that this guy kinda has a timer over his head til he pops.

Also, like i said, i really wanna get the other regs in the blinds out so i can get heads up with this guy and have my way with him.

maybe i could 3bet as wide as: AA-99, AKs-ATs, A5s-A2s, KQs-K2s, QJs-Q9s, JTs, J9s, T9s, T8s, 98s, 97s, 87s, 86s, 76s, 65s, 54s, all off suit broadways.

thats 21.7% of hands which does seem super friggin wide tho so maybe im becoming the fish at some point.

i still wanna have a small flat range as well, especially hands that are good multiway so that might mean flatting:
88-22, A9s-A6s, or JTs hands
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12-10-2019 , 10:10 PM
RESULTS

i checked back and he won w AQdd
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