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5/5 bottom set vs Gavin Griffin and random dude 5/5 bottom set vs Gavin Griffin and random dude

07-05-2013 , 08:37 AM
5/5 at Oceans 11.
Been at the table for a couple of orbits, no hands of note yet. Table seems pretty typical low limit live table.
We just all finished playing musical chairs, I moved to the open seat left of Gavin, then he moved to my vacated seat and someone else moved to his.
So there were like 3 posted hands plus the blinds to start. Gavin was button, I'm mp, v2 was on my left.

Folded to me and I checked my post blind as I was still fixing my chips. V2 raises to 20, folded to GG who calls, one other caller, I call w 77.

Flop is KT7r.
I check, v2 bets 60, Gavin makes it 175.

Action on me.

I have 700 to start the hand. Gavin has about 1200ish and v2 covers (I think, I may be off on their stacks, but they def both cover me by a bit).

Flat or repop here?
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07-05-2013 , 10:40 AM
Raise flop. Jam turn.
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07-05-2013 , 11:25 AM
I flat in this spot. If your set over set, eat your cooler, but if not you're looking at TPTK most of the time imo. You dont have to jam the turn but you definitely can, if not just send half your stack in the middle and hope guy to your left barrels it and then the other guy shoves. max extract the situation. what was actual out come
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07-05-2013 , 12:44 PM
Anything you do here looks pretty effing strong thanks to the raise. I think I'd have to flat here though because I want V2 coming along for the ride, and who knows he may even shove with AA, AK type of hands. Going to be weird OTT. Unless you think either V1 or V2 is capable of doubling you probably have to lead into both of them (again strong).

FWIW, I am leading the flop as I would expect to be floated or raised a big portion of the time.
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07-05-2013 , 01:16 PM
Bottom set is always the toughest, but this board isnt really that bad to deal with. You could be up against 2pr/OESD/TPTK/set. Typically with bottom set I like to get 3 bets into the pot when OOP like we are here mainly because I dont want the Turn to check through for free. Your opponents have already done 2/3rds of this for you here by a bet and a raise.

Any raise on the Flop will look super strong ... calling looks strong too, but with the ability to be the first to act on the Turn AND have it be a pot sized bet if you shove I like to flat here and hope to get a little more money out of V2.

You may have to do some reads here and I don't think I would insta-call either to see if V2 is calling. If V2 is NOT calling, then I wouldnt wait and raise it up here on the Flop to make GG put my '3rd' bet into the pot ... and you still get to shove the Turn!! Tough break if GG 4-bet shoves this Flop but I think you are ahead of most of his range to call a shove as I think he smooths with his sets.

No harm in checking an A/2/3/4/5 on the Turn to trap, but I would lead out at least 300 or shove any other card and cross fingers a bit if this is still multi-way pot. Hope it worked out for you. GL
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07-05-2013 , 01:33 PM
I'm sorry, I just realized that the flop was AT7r, not KT7.
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07-05-2013 , 02:09 PM
Please flat.
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07-05-2013 , 02:24 PM
Flat and let V2 value town himself with TPTK/2 pair. If he has a set it is getting in either way. I don't expect GG to play a set this way at low stakes and is posturing here a lot of the time trying to win your dead money.

4 betting gives V2 the chance to fold everything you beat. Don't think you are getting any more money out of GG either way unless he has 10's or AA's. Again the money is getting in either way. Hope it was not a cooler.
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07-05-2013 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker?IDontKnowHer
Flat and let V2 value town himself with TPTK/2 pair. If he has a set it is getting in either way. I don't expect GG to play a set this way at low stakes and is posturing here a lot of the time trying to win your dead money.

4 betting gives V2 the chance to fold everything you beat. Don't think you are getting any more money out of GG either way unless he has 10's or AA's. Again the money is getting in either way. Hope it was not a cooler.
I kind of read it this way, too.

I flatted, V2 makes it 500 more, GG quickly folds, I shove the remaining 80 bucks or so. He calls w/ AK and I fade a river after turn is an A.
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07-05-2013 , 03:17 PM
Don't chr this board

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07-05-2013 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker?IDontKnowHer
I don't expect GG to play a set this way at low stakes and is posturing here a lot of the time trying to win your dead money.
Is this low stakes for him? Pretty sure he's the guy from CardPlayer mag that went robusto -> busto -> building back up again. Not that he's a fish or non-winning player but I'm pretty sure he's there to win, not to splash around and run a random table over.
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07-06-2013 , 10:25 AM
Ask him how deep he is (checking out his stack yourself) and pause a moment in thought, then call.
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07-06-2013 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit
Ask him how deep he is (checking out his stack yourself) and pause a moment in thought, then call.
LOL... This, +1000. Hope another broadway card doesn't hit.
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07-06-2013 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit
Ask him how deep he is (checking out his stack yourself) and pause a moment in thought, then call.
although i think you should flat in this spot, i don´t think it is smart to level a seasoned veteran like gavin griffin with a false tell. those old pros have many technical leaks, but i´m sure they are top class in the department of live reads.
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