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08-11-2019 , 05:03 AM
Hero (550) tight/card dead
BUT (700) random
BB (2K) LAG on a heater. Plays loose passive pre and takes weird aggressive lines post

Hero HJ ATcc opens to 20. BUT calls. BB calls.

3 ways
(65) flop Q56scc
X hero bets 40. BUT folds. BB calls.
(145) turn Td
BB leads 55. Hero calls?? (I felt my only raise size would be all in and it would look FOS not sure tho)
(255) riv 3h
V bets 75
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08-11-2019 , 05:16 AM
Why would you raise all in? The pot would be 250-255 and you’d have 435 left. And you have showdown value

Flip a coin, really. We need more than top pair to call this dude down with. Having the flush draw ourselves sucks though. I think the EV of folding and calling will be close.

Now if you have a sizing tell on this guy and think he always has a Qx hand when he does this, you can exploitatively fold (or raise). It sounds like you know this guy, so if he always has a QJ type hand to bet this small on river, does he call a raise with it?


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08-11-2019 , 06:12 AM
Well, offering direct odds for a FD to call would be a weird line on the turn. But that's exactly what he did. Pretty unusual for a "LAG." So we can conclude that he either has no clue about pot odds or maybe he's got a draw that he's trying to set a price to go after. The question for you is whether this is a normal bet size for him on the turn and river or did it occur just in this hand?

I'd lean towards folding if he has no clue about pot odds and calling if this is the first time he did it.
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08-11-2019 , 10:11 AM
Sorry but wouldn't this be an auto turn call really? We have a nutted draw plus we have outs vs Qx, 2p and dominate any other combo flush.

I'm folding river after calling turn. His river bet now screams call me please bet.
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08-11-2019 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by bombonanza
Sorry but wouldn't this be an auto turn call really? We have a nutted draw plus we have outs vs Qx, 2p and dominate any other combo flush.

I'm folding river after calling turn. His river bet now screams call me please bet.


Really yes it is but the issue is that it’s very likely v will have a weak Queen when he takes this line so I would like to find a way to get some fold equity rather than just going full show down monkey when I’m never good
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08-11-2019 , 02:20 PM
Read dependent based on stickyness of player. I peg villain with weak Qx, or setting draw price. Weighting it more to Qx hands.

If I feel player is capable of folding I'd raise turn to $180. If not, I call turn, and then definitely fold river.
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08-12-2019 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinzFTW
Read dependent based on stickyness of player. I peg villain with weak Qx, or setting draw price. Weighting it more to Qx hands.



If I feel player is capable of folding I'd raise turn to $180. If not, I call turn, and then definitely fold river.


And how do we play AQ/KK/AA?
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08-12-2019 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
And how do we play AQ/KK/AA?
Call call seems good with these.

Perhaps would consider a turn min raise as well.
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08-12-2019 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinzFTW
Call call seems good with these.



Perhaps would consider a turn min raise as well.


Yes I was thinking the same thing, call/call. So then our range when we take the raise line is so polar he could hero the weak Q
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08-12-2019 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
Why would you raise all in? The pot would be 250-255 and you’d have 435 left. And you have showdown value

Flip a coin, really. We need more than top pair to call this dude down with. Having the flush draw ourselves sucks though. I think the EV of folding and calling will be close.

Now if you have a sizing tell on this guy and think he always has a Qx hand when he does this, you can exploitatively fold (or raise). It sounds like you know this guy, so if he always has a QJ type hand to bet this small on river, does he call a raise with it?


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If you suspected you needed to bluff his Q, you should have looked at the opportunity to raise turn+shove riv (might not be deep enough though) as an alternative to call/fold - call/call. I think it's good hand reading that he is very Qx heavy otr given how many he likely has to start the hand. I personally would have called turn and folded river.

Last edited by Amanaplan; 08-12-2019 at 04:17 PM.
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08-12-2019 , 04:42 PM
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If you suspected you needed to bluff his Q, you should have looked at the opportunity to raise turn+shove riv (might not be deep enough though) as an alternative to call/fold - call/call. I think it's good hand reading that he is very Qx heavy otr given how many he likely has to start the hand. I personally would have called turn and folded river.

Ya I mean fold River is fine. It’s for sure exploitative. But usually guys have exactly what it looks like when they do this. I do think when he bets this size, we could arguably jam.


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08-12-2019 , 05:32 PM
Whenever I see this its a decent top pair. If the player is good he is drawing but the small value bet river tells me its a QJ type hand that is blocking a bigger bet.
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