Reads might help, but in general am probably folding this.
You are hoping original raiser has some weak Ax type of hand and the 3 better at best has JJ
I dont really know what flop you are hoping for in a 3bet pot,
Ace high we could be getting crushed by AK
Queen high we could be getting crushed by AA/KK
This is the type of hand that just plays poorly in a 3 bet pot.
Overall
I think 4 betting is just lighting money on fire,calling is going to get you in trouble unless you hit the flop hard so folding is just the better option.
What’s your position and reads on UTG’s 3x range? I probably look to 3bet this unless he’s super tight UTG.
As played, if you were all deeper flat would be the move. $600 eff flatting is kinda eh. SPR will be 2.5x. Not much room to navigate post and you’ll only feel comfortable on QQx flops or JTxhh.
I'd usually 3-bet this (especially against 15, 5/5) unless I had reads.
AP, I'm never raising. Folding can't be bad (and is possibly the right move), but I'm probably calling since there are some flops I'll love playing in position and the rare few where I stack both players. I don't think calling is *too* -EV assuming you don't automatically stack off on A-high or Q-high flops. Raising is probably the only suicidal play here.
Playing absolutely blind (we don't have a guess at the villain's age or sex), it is a toss up between calling and folding the first time around but definitely a fold the second time around.
That's just based on you probably shouldn't be playing 5/5 since you can't provide even a minimum read. You're bringing a butter knife to a gun fight. If you have more information, the answer might change.
people in the forum need to do their pre flop math homework, this could be an excellent shove vs some lineups but it's generally impossible to be far enough behind to fold pre in position, unless the SB's 3bet range is AA only, he can show you KK without a heart and it'd be a call
it's an interesting spot because it's a UTG raise vs an SB squeeze and speaking in GTO terms it's STILL not unprofitable to shove but calling IP is the most standard play, don't fold, it could be a long time before you get a premium hand to play IP for a big pot
AQss is alluring because of its suitedness but it's a RIO hand in 3! pots. Its main value comes from making top pair, but when V is 3! with AK+, QQ+ (pretty reasonable absent reads to the contrary), top pair is of dubious value. And you'll only flop a flush draw a fraction of the time, and make your flush even less often.
it's about 3:1 odds so it's impossible to fold, the ace blocks both AA and AK, and it's breakeven vs a range of KK with the weaker range in the middle
Yeah, that’s assuming we realize our full equity everytime.
We dont. Not even close.
Calling is lighting money on fire barring some reads they have much ligher ranges than AQo+, JJ+ here (and that’s already a loose range for both players collectively, some players wont even 3b JJ vs utg and even flat QQ/AQo)
Pre is an easy fold ap, i would almost certainly 3b first time around
people in the forum need to do their pre flop math homework, this could be an excellent shove vs some lineups but it's generally impossible to be far enough behind to fold pre in position, unless the SB's 3bet range is AA only, he can show you KK without a heart and it'd be a call
it's an interesting spot because it's a UTG raise vs an SB squeeze and speaking in GTO terms it's STILL not unprofitable to shove but calling IP is the most standard play, don't fold, it could be a long time before you get a premium hand to play IP for a big pot
Luuuuuuuuul. says the guy who, among other questionable/blatantly bad preflop plays, 5bet jams UTG TT vs a cold 4b or some crazy action 200+bb deep and calls it an amazing stackoff LOL because he ran into AK when 70% of the time it’s KK+, and then proceeds to act condescending/high and mighty towards the “lol lower-stakes players” who correctly state that it’s absolutely ******ed
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