5/5 600cap
I am rather new to 5/5 so still getting used to the math.

I have around 700 and utg covers.

Utg+1 20
Hero CO JJ call (should I call or can I 3bet if I perceive v to be wide?)
Sb short stack calls
And some other people call

Flop is 8T5ccs $100 in pot
Sb donk for 90 with 100 behind
Utg calls
Hero calls? (I was between folding and calling bc I feel like I could be behind to sb two pair or combo draw and he is making me committed now bc he is going to jam on the turn)

Turn Jd
Sb jams 100 (is Q9 unlikely? Would villain donk with a combo draw?)
Utg calls 100
Hero raises to 225 (should I size bigger? I meant to size it to 325 but I got confused with the chips)

River 4h
Utg checks
Hero bets 200. Should I just jam? I am always scared of not getting called so I always dial back the river bets. But I feel like so much already in the middle he's not folding.

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3bet preflop. JJ is not a hand I want to take 5 ways to a flop.

AP, turn pot is 370 and jam is only 100. You could probably just jam given pot size.

Also, it helps if you put pot size after each street [eg: Flop Qs5d9h ($250)]

Readless vs an EP 4x, I understand the flat pre. I'd probably still 3b to $60-70 most times.

Flop call seems standard. Yeah we're committed vs SB, but UTG could easily have 88/TT/QQ-AA here & isn't the type to reshove over a very strongly sized donk bet. But we beat his FD/JTs-ATs/99/stubborn-AK/AQ, so seeing how he plays turn in a protected pot will tell us alot.

You should've jammed turn & river. Not deep enough to be raising standard 2.5-4x amounts.

Cool thanks

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Bit confused as to whether utg+1 who raised preflop and utg postflop are the same guy. If they are, muck the flop. Someone who raises pre in EP and then flats a large bet on this flop has an overpair 90% of the time.

I'll grant that he can have like AJcc-AKcc here and might sometimes show up with a hand with a ten in it (although most players don't raise those hands UTG+1, maybe with the exception of ATs). But he never has 99/AK/AQ. He's flatting a 90% pot bet against a committed player with three players left to act behind him.

That's actually quite interesting. I posted this in a few other forums and it was unanimous jam turn. And I got ridiculed for considering folding flop. But it was just me behind him to act.

Fwiw he told someone else he had a set of 88. And my plan for calling is fold turn if he continues being aggressive.

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I think 3-bet pre is better here, but I can sort of understand the call.

On the flop, if the caller is the person who raised to $20 pre, then this is a bit scarier because his range gets much heavier weighted towards JJ-AA, but I don't think AT or some JTs+ are completely out of the question. This one is more of a math problem where you will want to plug their ranges into stove and see where you are at equity wise. I'm honestly not sure.

On the turn you have $630 left, and the pot is $500. Jam is fine. You need to make it at least $400 to deny odds to flush/straight draws. Leaving $230 back is kind of silly, but if you feel like the difference between $400 and $630 is the inflection point where a lot of their hands fold, you can go ahead and raise the largest amount that you think they'll call, regardless of what sort of stupid amount it leaves you back.

Is there some rule of thumb I can do on the fly to calculate how much I need to bet to deny draws?

Of course I know how to calculate pot odds for myself but I'm not sure how I can calculate how much I should bet to give V a certain pot odds on calling.

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They need around 4:1 to call with a flush or open ended draw. Half pot bets give them 3:1, so I tend to go a bit above half pot in spots like this, because I will be paying off a river bet. However they don't always have a draw here, so we don't have to optimize our play vs. draws, because sometimes they will show up with weaker made hands.

So my rule of thumb is whenever you are playing against a range that has lots of draws, make sure to bet at least 1/2 pot. Save smaller bets for when their range has much less equity against you.

With $100 in the pot, $190 behind, and no reads, we can assume that an unknown OR will make undisciplined/frustrated calls some % of the time @ these stakes. Recs suffer horribly from entitlement tilt, and will easily "put" people on draws/weaker pairs to validate continuing, even multiway, even @ a terrible SPR, & think drawing to overcards is a good way to play.

Discounted combos IMO :

JTs-ATs = 10, 99 = 3, AK/AQ = 2, FD = 6

88/TT = 6, QQ-AA = 18

This is 39% vs the OR, and we're definitely ahead of SB generally speaking (i.e. he has even more Tx, etc.). But yeah, I see your argument for folding, and that may be best, but certainly in a hot/cold equity sense, it's an arguable call, and w/ position, we basically can play near perfect on most turns.