Effective stacks 1000

I’m the utg straddler to 10 in this hand.

Villain is a competent reg in the bb and has been playing pretty tight preflop. I was in an interesting hand with this guy when I was the utg straddler about 1 hr prior. He had raised to 30 with 99 preflop, I called with 67 suited. Flop a106. He bet 20, I called. Turn 7. He bets 75, I call (didn’t raise because front door flush came in). River 10. Goes check, check and he tables the winner. I didn’t show my hand. I had built up my stack to over 2000 and had lost a few pots just before this and was down to about 1600.

Preflop
Villain raises to 40 from bb. I call with kh8h in the straddle. (Pot 85)

Flop
Ks3h2s
Villain bets 30. I call (pot 145)

Turn
7d
Villain bets 115. I call after thinking about 15-20 sec (I have generally been snap calling/folding this session)(pot 375)

River
2c
Villain thinks for 30 seconds and bets 400. Hero?


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snip snap call that crap
you'll get shown A2 occasionally, or something else better, but TP heads up BvB, your previous weak hand (you weren't actually weak but it really seems like you were), your weak looking tank on the turn, and the 30 second tank before betting 400 make it a pretty easy call

PF is a fold for me based on player type, I'd 3 bet if I played. K8s doesn't play as well as it looks vs a tight opening range that will continue 2 streets often.

I fold river.

Call river. You unblock everything, there's a wide array of draws V can have, V can maybe even be value betting 88-QQ.

If not calling here, do something else somewhere else. 3-bet pre, fold pre, raise either street, I think I'd rather have clicked any other button somewhere along the way than fold here.

When you bet more than the pot w/ 88-QQ here it is not for value unless the villain is a super loose calling station and you have a maniacal bluffy image.

If he does have these hands he's turning them into a bluff at this point.

If his PF range is indeed tight as OP suggests you will see better Ks a lot I think.

You don't have to call every Kx here on the river.

not folding river

Tight raising range? BB should have a really wide raising range bb v straddle. Even having to play oop, vs one other player hand values are so much stronger. K8s is a pretty mandatory defend here unless bb is a huge nit.

Thinking from equilibrium, if we're folding k8 unblocking spades here, what do we call with? Maybe k10+, k7s, 22, 33, which overall are a fair amount of our range, so I don't think a fold is too exploitable given the overbet.

That said, V is repping pretty thin here, especially with the river overbet. ak, aa, kk, 33, 22, 23, 77, and everything except ak and aa is pretty discounted. It'd be a cool line with kq, but I doubt they'd take it. Given how wide ranges should be given the essentially bvb dynamic, I think I actually like an exploitative call.

I'm just going off OP. Everything else is fine if you want to ignore it and replace with your own assumptions to make your point.

Whoops, I missed that in the op, my bad.

I still think my argument stands, a reg who's pretty tight in general pre will still have a wide range blind vs blind.

Yeah, that said a tight villain who is leading into me 3 times on a fairly dry board overbetting the river I think I have enough hands in my calling range to toss K8 here.

People who are able to barrel 3 times while over betting river w/ a hand worse than K8 here is pretty rare live at these limits I've found.

Plenty of tight Vs i know wait all night to get into situations exactly like this against straddlers.. They wake up with a big hand in bb or otB and take perceived gamblers to value town for three streets.

We get 2-1 to call a nit who has barreled three streets and we get to make this call from the rock bottom of our range here. Ugh.

The only way we can find a call here is if we’re unduly influenced by the prior 99 vs. 67s hand wherein V makes a very optimistic, if not poor, cbet. After H shows nothing in that hand, V may think H will call down light with any crap. By this logic, V may think QQ is the nuts here and just barrel away heedless of proper ranging.

It would be a hero call but I suppose OP’s history with V suggests he could pull a call out of his butt here but I’m not sure I could against the general population.

Nice riverbet from V if it is balanced. My experience although is most players are very unbalanced with big bets on the river.
As V I would have made this bet with all unpaired missed flushdraw, AA, AK, A2, K2, 22 33 77 KK

If I would have been playing instead of V you should have called.

Folding PF here is nitty as hell.

I'm also calling river. I mean why else are you "tanking 20 seconds" on the turn except to induce river bluff, because you're hand is still going very good against his turn range

OP also said he’s competent. You’re focusing too much on the tight label. He can’t be so tight that K8s is a fold IP getting a discount and also be competent.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts...

So I thought for about a minute and decided on a call given I block some value hands, all the flush draws missed and the previous 99 hand.

I was a bit surprised when he turned over pocket jj but some of you definitely had this in his range.

I decided to post because a lot of the people at the table were incredulous that I called and wanted to make sure the call wasn’t too light.

Thanks again!


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Nice hand. Always nice to scoop these when idiots are betting without really thinking about their own hand relative to the board or your hand range at all!

I see this **** all the time. They bet the turn without a plan, realize when you call they are beat, and bomb the river to try to win the now large pot

I stopped reading right here. Don't do that.

Straddling UTG is Willie Nelson

Lol. Love this willie Nelson. Was straddling whole game to try and loosen up the table and it worked this time. Then again, I am a rec fish. Thanks ranma for your other thread.


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