5/5 500 max buy in game

Hero came to the current table about 2 hours prior from the must move. Hero is a mid 30s dark asian/rec player. Initially came over with a stack of about (700 - in for 1000). Built my stack to 1200 when I got lucky and hit a gut shot against a set (people at table were likely thinking I was a fish after that hand). I've been raising preflop but have been completely missing and have been having to fold. I have folded my last 4 preflop raises on the flop/turn. My stack has dwindled back down to 980.

Villain 1 (BB) appears to be a competent LAG in his 30s. Seems like a thinking player with headphones and had a chip stack over 1300. Had been chipping up slowly since I had been at the table. Has not showed down much. The one hand he lost, he raised preflop, called by my old man coffee in big blind. Hand checked to the river after which OMC bet when a king landed on the river. Villain tank called and mucked after OMC showed AK (he later said he had a pocket pair).

Villain 2 (button) is a weak passive player who has been calling preflop raises and folding to any aggression. Bets big when he has a hand. Has about 300.

Onto the hand.

Table is 7 handed.

Hero gets As4s in the cutoff and raise to 25. Button (V2) and BB (V1) call.

Flop is Ac6d4c (Pot 74)

Villain 1 donks out for 60. I call. Villain 2 folds

Turn 2s (Pot 194)

Villain bets 150. I call.

River 10c (Pot 494)

Villain thinks for a minute and announces all in (745 to me).

Hero???? Welcome feedback on all streets.

What two cards do you expect to beat? Obvious fold.

Raise flop, as played raise turn

I think raising flop would have made your later decision easier. If I were you, I wouldn't choose to attack a competent winning LAG at BB with A4s though. If you choose to do so, better have a plan before flop, because more likely than not, he has a plan from his observation on you...

$25 seems too big. $20 pre-flop.

I would not even complain if you made it $15-$18.

Calling flop/raising turn is fine. Raising flop is good as it looks like you have Ax goood kicker.

I'm a little concerned on how you're going to play if he comes back over the top. I think it's actually a fold if he does.

Thanks for the post

Missed flush draw 46 suited, ak (if he put me one one pair).

Obviously lose to 44, 66, a10,a6, 35.


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Thanks for your thoughts. Part of the reason I raised here were that we were seven handed and there were a few passive people in the game (button and small blind). Would you never raise this hand against the said villain or if we got down to less players?


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Thanks for your post. Standard raise was 25 in this game. 15 dollar raises had been getting three bet more. Given these dynamics, would you still say 15? Would it lead to a bet sizing tell preflop if I raised this 15 and then a bigger hand 25?


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Sorry misread your post. 20 sounds reasonable.


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Preflop could be smaller indeed but it's not that big of a deal I think
I would always raise this turn if im flatting flop,you're giving away too much equity and he has plenty of worse Ax/draws he might end up calling

Raise/fold or raise/call turn. Raise to how much? 400?


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Also, does a combo (35) of straights getting there o n turn change decision to flat or raise? Thanks

I was also worried about spades, 3 and 7 and maybe 10, j, q. What turns would people feel ok to raise and what turns would people just flat? Does anyone flat described villain here (sorry I don't have more info on him since it was the first time I played with him).

Thanks!


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Another question i had is this.

I had been pretty weak/passive post flop during this stretch. When I call the flop and turn, what does villain put me on and if he were bluffing, what would be a standard bluffing amount be. Is this a good place for villain to bluff me to get me off one pair type hands - ak, aq, aj?


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The only hand V1 is really playing this way as a bluff is 75s, or a weaker A if he's crazy enough to turn that into a bluff.

As played it's a fold OTR but I don't mind a rr OTT because our hand can look like AQ or AK and we can get good value from the worse 2 pairs in his range and charge draws. Losing to 66 is a cooler.

The flush draw got there.

I would never open to 20 in my 5/5 game. 25, 30, and 35 depending on stacks.

I'd just shove turn

I agree with the bet sizing, and I agree with raising flop. Even raising turn for value, but on first instinct i raise flop here.

I don't know if I could lay this one down if he comes over the top on the flop. We're talking like 1 combo of 44, 3 of 66, and I guess the occasional a6... but he's got all kinds of draws and that's typical for a donk bet.

I don't know, do LAGs lead sets?

Sorry made mistake - river completed rainbow - not flush.


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*I haven't read any replies except the very last one where OP said river did not complete a flush*

I was going to say, I think I'm calling river even if the flush completes. The reason is V seems competent and is LAG, so I'm not going to want to play an overfolding strategy. Without doing in depth range analysis, I think if you only call that river with flushes, you are overfolding. On the other hand, it might be better to call with AXK than a weakish 2 pair since we don't block any flushes.

Also, you are getting like 1.6-1 odds on the river so you only need to be good like 38%+ of the time to call. In other words, you can believe you are mostly beaten and still have a correct call.

With a non-flush river card, it's an easy call. You have many worse hands that can fold, like AK, AQ, or AJ.

Pretty sure this line is never AQ or AJ unless description is way too incomplete.

Sorry made mistake. River completed rainbow


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I said that if hero had AQ or AJ, he could fold those. But A4 on a non-flush river is a call.

I'd be way too scared to play an overfolding strategy given OP's read...OP said V has been chipping up slowly without many showdowns. On my winning days against overfolders, this is frequently how the chipping up occurs, and I don't even go out of my way to make wild bluffs, I just bluff the normal amounts and they get run over. In contrast, on my winning days against people who don't overfold, I have to actually get lucky by having strong hands in large pots.

Folding A4 here is an overfolding strategy when most of our range here is AK, AQ, or AJ. OP would actually have a tough decision if he had AK or AQ.

It is an excellent spot for V to bluff. He can have some monster hands that he knows you can't have since you probably wouldn't raise pre: like 53s and 64s. Several people in this thread have stated they'd fold on river, meaning they'd also fold AK, AQ, AJ, ect.

If OP folds 80% of his range on the river, then villain's entire line would be +EV with the 72. He would have spent $230 to arrive at a situation on the river where he can fold 80% of OP's range and for +$250 EV shove, for a net EV of +$20.

Ben. Thanks for your thoughts on this hand. Although not nearly as detailed as your post, I had similar thoughts as I was deciding whether to call or fold.


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He's Asian and you've got top 2 and in position. I don't see him calling out of position with a draw ... that's just terrible poker.

But I'm not playing for stacks with two pair. Fold.

It looks like he had a big combo draw like King 5 and and setting it up with semi bluffs until he hit.