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5-5 200bb+deep, eaaasy fold vs Old asian nit, or is it?? 5-5 200bb+deep, eaaasy fold vs Old asian nit, or is it??

08-31-2013 , 02:36 AM
Active full ring game

Hero: Opening more pots than usual, hasn't 3bet yet though, got caught bluffing a few times, image on the more negative side.

Vilain: Older asian gentleman with a cap, has been pretty abc so far except he doesn't value his strong hands on the river even against fish (for example: he checked back top 2 against big fish of the game just because a backdoor flush came). So his river bets are pretty polarizing, haven't seen him raise any cbets though, usually just leads out when he has it.

1.1k effective

folds to Vilain on button who opens to 25
Hero (sb): 3bets with 97dd to 85
bb folds, Vilain calls

flop (175) is 985r
Hero bets 105, Vilain calls 105
turn (385) 985 2r
Hero bets 220, Vilain asks how much Hero has and calls
River (820) 985 28
Hero checks, Vilain tanks for 4 seconds and bets 450

I was planning on vilain to check back almost everything and me losing the hand most of the time, however river bet just seems so polarizing coming from this vilain and I'd expect him to not slowplay a set on flop or turn so I have no idea what he is repping. I def think he could have 87-T8-J8-A8 in his range but I feel like he'd do this with JT, QT and QJ as well. Is there enough bluff combos for us to call this? Or am I just overthinking this and it's an easy fold?
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08-31-2013 , 03:13 AM
I think once the abc player calls our cbet we should be done with the hand,
if he has been playing so passive why would he bet 450 on the river?

i fold.
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08-31-2013 , 03:57 AM
Probably a fold, although it seems strange that he would call your turn bet with any 8... and from the read you gave us it wouldnt seem likely that he would have an overpair, as he would be scared of the paired board. He would have to have 67 or a set to be making this bet to be consistent with your read. If you had prior history of him bluffing on the river, I would probably call him down as this hand doesn't make much sense according to your reads, but without history I think we have to fold.
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08-31-2013 , 09:37 AM
I think checking turn is better. Call a turn bet and then check soul-read river.

Might get to roughly the same spot on the river. It really depends on if you think this guy is capable of this play. I think in a vacuum this is a call getting nearly 2:1.
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08-31-2013 , 12:18 PM
Tough spot. I kinda want to fold since the only draw that really makes sense for him to bet is JT. Do you really think he calls two with QJ:QT? If you think he is that loose to call to the river with any of the straight draws/5x with straight draw then I call since I don't think he ever bets like overpairs or A9s given your read, so his bet is pretty polarizing.

Also with your image 3betting here oop is burning money. You aren't going to be able to bluff very effectively and you are going to be forced to make a hand/put yourself in a lot of marginal spots.
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08-31-2013 , 01:43 PM
so you have a negative image and you 3bet 97s from the SB....why? Are you expecting to take it down pre, or hit gin and stack villain, or barrel at least two streets and pray he folds?

As to the hand, it's difficult to rationalize why villain is taking a line with a value hand that is not consistent with his traits (ie betting thinner on the river). The reason it's difficult is because you have cultivated a negative image. And when villains perceive us negatively they end up taking unusual lines because they think we are FOS. So if I had to guess, I would say that villain is putting you on AK believes his PP is good (that's the value part of his bet). As for any bluffs in this spot, I would think it is a high Ax card and maybe he is betting AK here to get you off a perceived chop.
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