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12-17-2019 , 03:03 AM
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Effective 700
CO tight passive limps. This villain is just ur ABC tight passive fish. He plays a bit too loose passive pre, raises his great hands, limp/calls his medium hands etc. he generally doesn’t go thin enough for value post, etc.

Hero BTN AQhh to 45. CO calls.
110 flop AT6cch
X 55 call
220 turn 9h
(600 behind)
X hero?

Classic spot, do we go for value here planning to check back brick rivs? Or do we check back with playability on rivs fearing the x/r?
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12-17-2019 , 03:22 AM
I think this is a villain you can bet for value and safely fold if raised.
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12-17-2019 , 03:25 AM
150; shove hearts on the river
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12-17-2019 , 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
I think this is a villain you can bet for value and safely fold if raised.
hmm, I would feel extremely dirty folding top pair and the NFD at this depth

if we bet 150 and he shoves then it's 450 to win 920, if my math is correct?

not sure I'm good enough to fold that
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12-17-2019 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
hmm, I would feel extremely dirty folding top pair and the NFD at this depth

if we bet 150 and he shoves then it's 450 to win 920, if my math is correct?

not sure I'm good enough to fold that
Oh I didn't see that nm. Yeah bet call lol.
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12-17-2019 , 05:21 AM
Bet ofc vs loose passive
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12-17-2019 , 05:38 AM
Checking absolutely criminal ott
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12-17-2019 , 05:58 AM
Against that V type, gotta go for value and be ready to call it off.
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12-17-2019 , 06:35 PM
Ok I think I agree that bet/calling the turn is the correct play. It sucks if we get check raised, but more often than not we just get called (or he will fold his 5 out hand) and we will get to check back brick rivs.
Betting turn also allows us to win it all if he calls and we make our flush on the river.

I was thinking there is some merit to a check back for playability on rivers, to bluff catch or maybe let him value bet worse. But against this player type I don’t think he will bluff and I don’t think he will value bet worse, so if we face a big bet a brick river it would probably be correct to fold? And this would defeat the entire purpose of checking back the turn.

Also I just there’s way too much value in betting this turn. I mean we have a monster hand against a fish, let’s GET SOME VALUE.

SPOILER:
Hero bets 160. Villain folds.
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12-17-2019 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
Ok I think I agree that bet/calling the turn is the correct play. It sucks if we get check raised, but more often than not we just get called (or he will fold his 5 out hand) and we will get to check back brick rivs.
Betting turn also allows us to win it all if he calls and we make our flush on the river.

I was thinking there is some merit to a check back for playability on rivers, to bluff catch or maybe let him value bet worse. But against this player type I don’t think he will bluff and I don’t think he will value bet worse, so if we face a big bet a brick river it would probably be correct to fold? And this would defeat the entire purpose of checking back the turn.

Also I just there’s way too much value in betting this turn. I mean we have a monster hand against a fish, let’s GET SOME VALUE.

SPOILER:
Hero bets 160. Villain folds.
Fully agree H has to bet turn here but I don’t love your sizing. It may seem like a small difference but I like $110-115 way better than $160.
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12-17-2019 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by twitcherroo
Fully agree H has to bet turn here but I don’t love your sizing. It may seem like a small difference but I like $110-115 way better than $160.
Explain please. Curious as to why? I think the hand was played well
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12-17-2019 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
I think this is a villain you can bet for value and safely fold if raised.
Exactly. Wide range and passive = three streets of bet/fold.

Edit: same NVM on the nut flush draw. Call turn if raised
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12-17-2019 , 11:36 PM
Is there any villain type where we wouldn’t bet turn against?
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12-17-2019 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by twitcherroo
Fully agree H has to bet turn here but I don’t love your sizing. It may seem like a small difference but I like $110-115 way better than $160.


I sized up because the board is wet and it pot geo’s stacks if I wanna shove riv
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12-17-2019 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Explain please. Curious as to why? I think the hand was played well
I think it sort of isolates us against the portion of V's range we're behind. I can see V calling 50-55% PSB much lighter than 70-75% OTT. Maybe (probably) doesn't matter, maybe it matters a little bit.
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12-18-2019 , 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
5/5/10UTG
Effective 700
CO tight passive limps. This villain is just ur ABC tight passive fish. He plays a bit too loose passive pre, raises his great hands, limp/calls his medium hands etc. he generally doesn’t go thin enough for value post, etc.

Hero BTN AQhh to 45. CO calls.
110 flop AT6cch
X 55 call
220 turn 9h
(600 behind)
X hero?

Classic spot, do we go for value here planning to check back brick rivs? Or do we check back with playability on rivs fearing the x/r?
When has a tight passive fish ever x/r as a bluff? They don't even like to raise with anything that's not the nuts.
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12-18-2019 , 04:01 AM
He only called one flop bet of about half pot. His range is wide from Ax to gutshots to FDs. 9h only completes one straight and gives you bdnfd. Bet bet bet. I would bet 2/3 pot, small enough to keep in weak aces but enough to create river shove.
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12-18-2019 , 05:17 AM
check it back, we can't stand a check raise, we must see the river, and we can induce a lot of bluffs and value bets by checking back
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12-18-2019 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by twitcherroo
I think it sort of isolates us against the portion of V's range we're behind. I can see V calling 50-55% PSB much lighter than 70-75% OTT. Maybe (probably) doesn't matter, maybe it matters a little bit.
What do you think villain's range is on turn that you are afraid of getting called with top pair second kicker and nut flush draw when there's only 1 possible straight and no possible flushes on the board?

We have way too much equity to miss this value.
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12-19-2019 , 08:37 PM
Bet call or even overbet.
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12-19-2019 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Bet call or even overbet.


Just ship it?
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12-20-2019 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
I sized up because the board is wet and it pot geo’s stacks if I wanna shove riv
Not afraid of V’s range. Would like him to continue with more of it, that’s all.
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12-20-2019 , 03:49 AM
2.7x overbet jam turn
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12-20-2019 , 11:58 AM
Why jam? Are we thinking we induce light calls here because a jam is so atypical?

It looks like risking all our stack to not get very much and giving villain all our money when he c/c a monster on the flop.
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12-20-2019 , 12:26 PM
We’re not folding anyways and this way we can fold out lots of better hands as well as occasionally called by draw that’s getting a bad price. And good for image
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