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11-04-2017 , 06:33 PM
Playing short-stacked $5/$5/$10 at Crown Melbourne, 9-handed.

Hero (SB) - Early 20s WG. Tight image. Doesn't usually play these stakes and might appear scared/uncomfortable.

Villain (BB) - Mid 30s WG. Live pro. Mostly TAG but capable of pulling a few moves at times.

1 limper $10
Hero makes it $40
Villain 3bets to $100
Hero ???

I can see all 3 options having merit. What are your thoughts on this?
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11-04-2017 , 06:47 PM
jam but feeling pretty whatever about it. i cant imagine him doing this too light, but we are 35bb deep. not sure how a live pro is sitting in a game with 35bb though.
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11-04-2017 , 06:49 PM
Calling has no merrit. At 35bb deep, this is basically always a jam unless we're up against an OMC. A live pro should be 3betting wider than AK/JJ+. Only thing that concerns me is the minuscule sizing, but I don't really see myself getting away this shallow.
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11-04-2017 , 07:08 PM
Umm, shove.
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11-04-2017 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jc315
jam but feeling pretty whatever about it. i cant imagine him doing this too light, but we are 35bb deep. not sure how a live pro is sitting in a game with 35bb though.
He's 1k deep. We're $350 deep.
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11-04-2017 , 08:44 PM
Make it 160, put the pressure on.

(Kidding... just jam it in)
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11-04-2017 , 09:22 PM
All 3 options do not have merit here. Calling is awful. I shove but folding is ok too.
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11-04-2017 , 10:02 PM
Grunch from title: Ship it. You're 35bb deep in a 3 blind game.

After reading: Yeah there's just no other way this goes down. Send it.
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11-04-2017 , 10:21 PM
sitting the 5/5 games is your biggest mistake
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11-04-2017 , 10:44 PM
You should also be discussing the pros and cons of making it, 20, 60 and limping.
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11-04-2017 , 11:00 PM
This is a very very clear shove. It might be a question if V wasnt a pro, but his range is plenty wider than QQ+/AK

As far as the other options for bet sizing...

limping has no merit at all. dont need to balance a SB limp, and it will go 3 ways which is not as good for JJ

20 has no merit because its still getting called by BB/limper 100%. better than limping because at least it would increase pot size.

60 is probably better sizing than 40, since you are OOP, so taking the pot down for 20 is a pretty good result, and at least if it plays like a $30 bet at 2/5, the limper is never folding anyway. You can see regular situations where people are in tough situations because they raised too small pre, although you won be in a 6 way pot or whatever, since worts case here youre 3 way.
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11-04-2017 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
You should also be discussing the pros and cons of making it, 20, 60 and limping.
OK.

I like 60 over 1 limper. I tend to size opens larger from the blinds. It also makes it easier to ship it over the 3b but that is kinda trivial. It may also discourage light 3b from BB and offers worse IO so less likely to get cold called. Also sets up better SPR post.

I do not like 20 as much because we don't want to go multiway and this sizing will probably bring the limper along. Too many bad boards for our hand and now being OOP sucks.

Limping is just too week with our stack and this hand. We can push our edge now and make being OOP not matter as much (at all?) and comfortably stack off on a lot of boards if we get it HU.
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11-05-2017 , 06:22 AM
What do you guys think his 3betting range is here? Bear in mind that:
1) I raised OOP against a limper with 3 players still to act behind, so I have to have at least {88+, AJ+, KQ} here.
2) He 3bet to $100, as if to say that he doesn't want me to fold.

I'm thinking he has to have at least {TT+, AQ+} at the minimum here, and am I really happy to stack off with JJ against that range? I'm crushed by 18 combos, crushing 6 combos and flipping with 32 combos, so I'm not in great shape here.
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11-05-2017 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
What do you guys think his 3betting range is here? Bear in mind that:
1) I raised OOP against a limper with 3 players still to act behind, so I have to have at least {88+, AJ+, KQ} here.
2) He 3bet to $100, as if to say that he doesn't want me to fold.

I'm thinking he has to have at least {TT+, AQ+} at the minimum here, and am I really happy to stack off with JJ against that range? I'm crushed by 18 combos, crushing 6 combos and flipping with 32 combos, so I'm not in great shape here.
If it’s AQ+, TT+, then you have almost 50% equity. Plus I think he’s much more likely to fold AQ than TT, which is very helpful to your EV.
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11-05-2017 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
What do you guys think his 3betting range is here? Bear in mind that:
1) I raised OOP against a limper with 3 players still to act behind, so I have to have at least {88+, AJ+, KQ} here.
2) He 3bet to $100, as if to say that he doesn't want me to fold.

I'm thinking he has to have at least {TT+, AQ+} at the minimum here, and am I really happy to stack off with JJ against that range? I'm crushed by 18 combos, crushing 6 combos and flipping with 32 combos, so I'm not in great shape here.
If he knows/guesses that you're considering folding JJ, he should have a waaay wider range than that.
Even if you don't fold JJ, he still has a profitable 3bet with a lot of blocking hands. With these stacksizes he probably doesn't even care if he has no postflop playability.

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
You should also be discussing the pros and cons of making it, 20, 60 and limping.
+1, I guess 60 would be my sizing of choice. I think we are slightly to deep for limp/rr to be more profitable. Making it 20 is really interesting tho.
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11-05-2017 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
You should also be discussing the pros and cons of making it, 20, 60 and limping.
Am I the only one that thought this was a sarcastic remark mocking OP's statement that all options have merit?

OP, your range is probably viewed as wider than {88+, AJ+, KQ}. Not sure why you'd only be raising these hands with just one limper ahead of you. Also, $100 sizing makes sense no matter what villain has. If he sizes up he encourages you to 4-bet or fold and he's pot committed with most of the hands he's 3-betting, which is not ideal. $100 doesn't look as committal.
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