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07-30-2021 , 12:20 AM

hyperknit

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5/5/10
Hero is BTN w AQhh opens to 30.
Straddle defends. He’s a good player.
HU
(70) flop K86ddd
X hero bets 20. V calls. (I believe he is call here with ATC)
(110) turn 3c
X x
(110) 3h
V bets 80. Hero?

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07-30-2021 , 12:43 AM

QuantumSurfer

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I'd check back this flop a lot. Most of my bets would either be a TP+ or a good FD. River seems a fold. We've got a lot of better hands than A high here. Even A high with A diamonds would make a better call because we cut down his flushes. Any pair with a diamond blocker seems like an ok call. Maybe Ad6x could be a fold.

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07-31-2021 , 02:34 PM

hyperknit

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Folding A6dx seems very wrong to me idk I think he’s pretty dang polar here. And given that he’s peeing flop with ATC having the NF blocker seems like a great hand to call with, what r we even losing to at that point? And 6 blocks a set too! Jeebz

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07-31-2021 , 04:13 PM

QuantumSurfer

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Originally Posted by hyperknit

Well, I did say maybe. Mostly because live players tend to underbluff than overbluff. Also, if this dude has no folds against our flop bet, he's not that good. If we're in his spot, we should def let go of anything that's not a pair and has no diamond.

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07-31-2021 , 04:22 PM

DumbosTrunk

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If you have seen him float too wide to try to steal on the river, sure flick in the call. I'm not betting this flop though.

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07-31-2021 , 04:38 PM

hyperknit

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Originally Posted by QuantumSurfer

Get shots, OESD, and non-diamond A hi dont seem like bad floats to me getting 4.5:1

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07-31-2021 , 05:24 PM

QuantumSurfer

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Originally Posted by hyperknit

Get shots, OESD, and non-diamond A hi dont seem like bad floats to me getting 4.5:1

Yes, straight draws and any diamond holding is fine to defend OTF if we're the straddle (along with pairs and better obviously). I was referring of stuff that straight wiffs which plays well as fold. Like Q9cc for example, or even A7o with no diamond, how about JTo with no diamond... and all the other trashy suited stuff BB defends with against BTN.

edit: FWIW, solver likes folding out non diamond A highs to a 30%pot cbet.

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07-31-2021 , 06:26 PM

drowski

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Eh I pay it off. Turn and river didn't change anything so he's super polar. Other than the nut flush i dont see much value that plays this way and unless he's capable of going thin with a large bet we're good often enough imo. I don't play with many players who would bet this large on a flush paired board with one pair oop

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07-31-2021 , 07:28 PM

hyperknit

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Originally Posted by drowski

Yes but I also think villain will almost always just check A hi rather than bluff it.

So while he is polar, I guess it’s flushes, boats, top pair big kick, vs bluffs of off suit broads w diamond, 9To/s, 97s, 75s, and I don’t think he bluffs all his air at 100% freq

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07-31-2021 , 08:19 PM

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OmahaDonk

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Why is he polar? We’d be surprised if he has 89? I do think our small bet keeps him so wide that his river range will have to overbluff or concede so a call can’t be bad

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07-31-2021 , 08:42 PM

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Amanaplan

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Bet turn

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07-31-2021 , 10:23 PM

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KT ART

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betting 60% of the pot 60% of the time on the flop >>>> 1/3 pot 100% in this spot
t i would have mostly bet the flop harder or checked so i don't know, this seems actually ridiculous, one of the reasons to bet in the first place is to buy information and you bought zero with a good hand, so i guess i hate the flop and turn and would 100% call here

the only information we have is that we have an extremely high equity hand pre flop and the info hasn't change so snap call?

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08-02-2021 , 04:51 AM

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hyperknit

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RESULT

Hero calls vs A3ss

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08-02-2021 , 02:59 PM

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jvds

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i see results have been posted, but i generally would not expect a good player to be super polar here. after 30%p flop, xb turn, i think V would expect btn will be fairly capped and rarely (but not never) have hands even as strong as KQ, and can therefore bet like KJ+ for this size. with that said, if you think V doesnt really ever slowplay flushes/sets then he can easily be overbluffing since he does have a bunch of combos he peeled flop with that dont have sdv. AQhh should be far enough down in our range that we dont need to call here though.

also agree that V should not be continuing 100% vs the flop bet, i think that would be pretty bad

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08-02-2021 , 03:08 PM

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pocketzeroes

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I don’t understand the flop bet if you think villain is calling with ATC? I think you can just check back here, perhaps call a bet on the turn, then usually just fold river to another. Can you explain why your line of bet flop, check back turn is advantageous to check back flop, call turn?
AP, I don’t mind a call, but I think you want to limit the number of ace high combos you’re calling

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08-02-2021 , 07:54 PM

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Amanaplan

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Hero prob likes range betting MT

Btw Vs line is dogsht

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08-03-2021 , 01:07 AM

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hyperknit

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Yeah I just range bet 1/4 pot

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08-03-2021 , 07:56 AM

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water69

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Originally Posted by KT ART

Even though we don’t have much more information 5 more cards have been dealt so AQhi doesn’t have the same value that it does when there’s only been 2 cards dealt, so I don’t think it’s that simple.

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08-03-2021 , 08:01 AM

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water69

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@hyperknit if you think he’s calling w ATC on the flop, imo punish that by betting the turn. He’s either going to have to over fold or over bluff if he gets to the turn with too many combos.

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08-03-2021 , 05:27 PM

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hyperknit

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Originally Posted by water69

@hyperknit if you think he’s calling w ATC on the flop, imo punish that by betting the turn. He’s either going to have to over fold or over bluff if he gets to the turn with too many combos.

Yes but I normally like to bet the turn with complete air and check back my stronger SDV like AQ here. Unless u wanna double range bet turn? Might be kinda cool actually...

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08-05-2021 , 10:41 AM

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browni3141

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WTF is his flop call? Really bad.

Since apparently you had this read already I'm thinking about max exploit. Definitely wouldn't range bet turn. There's no way he isn't massively overbluffing river so I'd like to bring some bluffcatchers to snap him off with (pretend you have a decision). I do like betting this specific hand though. It just doesn't have enough value as a check and it's definitely a +EV bet with your read. Your equity sucks and you really don't have that much showdown value because many of his worse hands will choose to bluff.

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