This is literally my first hand at the table. I admit that I had no idea what stack the SB was working on. Old guy, leaning over his stack.

Hero buys in for 2500, most of the table has me covered since it's the middle of the night and it took 4 hours to get a seat at this game, so people have either busted or stacked up it seems

2 limps, CO raises to 50, fold to SB who calls, we call with 25, expecting the 2 limps to just call which they do

5 players (250)

246

sb checks, hero bets 140, 2 folds, CO calls, SB calls

3 players (670)

K

SB bets 55, hero looks over and sees that he only has 110 behind, hero calls, CO raises to 400, SB folds

I hate to sound like OMC guy but never calling this from BB for 50 here. Need miracle flop to continue, hand has huge reverse implied odds plus we're OOP whole hand. Just a bad recipe.

Good poker can be boring poker and suprisingly simple.

Trivial fold preflop. With some read on the table you might want the occasional reraise also if CO is squeezing a lot. With no information you shouldn't be in this hand.

As played fold. CO had to expect SB to call and has to expect you have something. He was still willing to raise to isolate. He should always beat a pair of 2s and you probably can't get paid enough if you catch your gut shot draw.

Just curious, why do you keep posting live $5-10 hands in a forum that says it's for lower stakes?

Actually this hand with a 5-handed pot sounds like a "small stakes" game so I don't care so much that it's $5-10. However that other "best player at the table" thread was a great illustration of why this isn't the right place for hands from tougher 5-10 games.

Really though I just wonder why you chose this forum.

This

Fold pre

Fold pre and improve forum selection as mentioned above

Go all in preflop. 2 and 5 add up to 7, which we all know is a lucky number. And you have TWO draws to a four of a kind, unlike some garbage like KK where you would have only one.

As actually played---to use the term loosely---you have two choices: fold or fold.

Fold pre, WTF man this is terrible.

Flop I just check but w/e you have bottom pair + gutter + backdoor. Really if you get called in two places, you are going to have to slow down unless you pick up more equity. So I don't like leading for this reason.

Turn fold to CO raise, what are you ahead of now? Plus you have zero clean outs.

I'm 100% not calling pre flop if i had known the SB was short. I just assumed he was as deep as everyone else. He was leaning over his stack and he's sitting to my direct right.

Had he been as deep as everyone else, we only need 22% equity to call and have plenty of implied odds, so if defending is a mistake, it's only a small one.

As far as leading into the flop, this should be the absolute worst hand we do this with but we should have plenty of hands here to represent and we generally have the only nut hands. Not to mention I have the best hand some of the time

My thoughts at this juncture, now that the SB has folded, is that CO should be folding to a jam, but since i only called the micro-bet, i'm not sure how much traction a bluff would have but he should be folding top top to a shove, right? If we raise, what size. We are at an awkward stack size, so if raising do we jam or raise smaller to jam all rivers?

Maybe the poster who said i shouldn't post 5/10 hands here is right, because i'm fairly certain nobody at this game folds 25s here. Pre-flop mistakes that are only small mistakes shouldn't be the end of your bankroll. It's not really that hard to get away from most flops with 25. basically a lot easier to play than something like QTo with more implied odds and less RIO

But they will be. Oh, they will be.

The trouble with playing garbage like 52 is that people who do so rarely have the discipline to get away from the hand if they don't hit the flop hard. I mean, look at the hand. You flopped a gutshot and bottom pair. Whee! And that was one of the best flops you could have expected. That caused you to pour money into the pot on...a pair of deuces (with no kicker! ). You say it's not that hard to get away from most flops...but you weren't able to get away from this one because you had...ooh, a pair. And a gutshot! Oooooh!

Playing dog vomit preflop is a leak, and a serious one at that, because it's a mistake that you have the opportunity to make time and time again. Then the absolute worst happens---you flop a straight or some other improbable miracle, and you win a big pot--and you smile and tell yourself what a wonderful studly genius you were to play that hand. From that point on, you're doomed.

Amidst all the various and sundry poker theory and sophisticated advice, what it says on Page One still applies: don't play shitty hands.

Calling 52s against a 5x open raise is a mistake in any game. SB being short doesn’t matter. Your implied odds don’t justify the call — if significant money goes in postflop you’re usually going to be dominated in a multiway pot by a better flush.

If you posted this to the mid-stakes forum you’d get the same response. Just fold pre.

You should just never be calling 25s pre. Not on the button, certainly not in the big blind vs a 5x open. You get to fold so much vs a 5x open, take advantage of that and fold.
Now you want to stick in 250bb with bottomest pair and a gutshot, without reads. This hand is a mess from start to finish. I think if you jam, your hand gets read for what it is - a pair and a gutshot

To be fair to OP, MHFR and MSNL/HSNL are both pretty dead so idk if there’s really another place for these hands. There also do seem to be enough posters here who do play these stakes to generate discussion so I guess I don’t really see the problem with it, and I would imagine it’s helpful for those looking to move up. Also, its not like you need a bunch of nosebleed pros to tell OP to fold 25s pre lol

What are we even doing here? Seriously. Like I just don’t get it. I thought I recall OP saying in another thread that s/he was an online crusher at one point. I don’t remember any point where overcalling 52s with people left to act would classify as a “crusher” play.

Fold pre

Flop bet is lolbad. We never get anything better to fold and even a lot of over cards can and will float. There are very little turn cards we actually like. Even a diamond is not great. We have a pretty terrible straight draw that rarely gets paid if we hit. Oh, but we have the 2nd nut low BDFD!

Turn - you call knowingly that V only has ~100 behind with people left to act. How many times does this every get through without being raised? Maybe in 1/2 games where people aren’t good. It’s just such a bad call and now you’re wondering if you should call a raise. Lol, ok

I’m about 75% sure this HH is going to go: OP turn call, river whatever action sees showdown, OP wins, look at how great I am for winning with 52s

actually I folded here, but if this were 45s, nobody would have a problem with it, so what are you even doing in the thread, just don't post anything if you folded pre and tone down the attitude or i'll just not read any of your advice

sorry for being terse but sheesh, I only have 10% risked right now so it's nothing has really happened yet. i'm not committed at all

actually I folded here, but if this were 45s, nobody would have a problem with it, and for all intents and purposes it's the exact same hand , just don't post anything if you folded pre and tone down the attitude or i'll just not read any of your advice

sorry for being terse but sheesh, I only have 10% of my stack risked, i'm not committed, and this hand is only slightly worse than a hand just about everyone would play, so are you serious?. you would fold pre and not play this level so what good advice are you planning to offer? your absolutely leaking money and can't win if you look at absolute hand strength instead of equity needed to call...in which i actually only need 19% so slam dunk flat imo, as most deep stacked 5/10 players would completely agree

Actually, if you had 45s, you should still fold pre, and 45s can make 4 straights while 25s can make 2 straights, and 25s has 1 flop where it has an OESD, and 45s has 3 flops, so they aren't equivalent.
I don't know why you keep talking about "10% risked", you've put in 10% of your stack, that is a lot of your stack! You have put 25bb into the pot, which if you're doing QUITE well, would be 5 hours of winnings. And you didn't get to realize any of your equity cause you got raised off your hand. This is a disaster, you lost a bunch of money every single street (yes, calling 25s is probably only a minorly losing play pre, but you get so many opportunities to make this mistake, that it will cost you lots of money)

People are giving you good, free advice, feel free not to read any of it and come play in my games

EDIT: Like, if you look at my posting history, I play 5 high so much more then anyone should. It's a hand I love, even though it's awful. I pretty much never play it as a call preflop, cause it is a really bad call preflop

Lol at not realizing the difference between 54s and 52s, which is probably still a fold in this situation, but a much better hand in general

Public forum…. I’ll post about your trash hand if I want. Don’t claim to be a online crusher and then post a ridiculously obvious hand that any person who’s played through like 20nl should know not to play anywhere near how you played this hand

You can not read it, the advice is for other to read as well, and I’m sure there are plenty that will see your hand and think “oh KT calls with 52s, maybe it’s ok”, then maybe they’ll read all the replies and understand that they shouldn’t call it because it’s lolturrrible

And oddly, I like how you say I only said “fold pre”, which I blatantly commented on every street specifically not to be just a “fold pre troll”, yet there are literally 2 people who said only “fold pre” without giving any other commentary and you didn’t say a thing about their comments :/

I probably call more pre than every nit on here and pre is an easy fold.

This is not the same hand as 54s, lol not even close. FWIW I can get on board with calling 54s. 52s has only 1 way to flop an oesd and 1 way to make the nut straight. It's trash.

it's very close to 45s, in fact, those 2 hands are exactly the same hand on this action, it's such a small difference that it would only be a small mistake to call pre, and people here are acting like it's a big mistake, when it clearly isn't. most players at this table are playing 34s, they would laugh at you for folding 45s, so even if it's a mistake it's not a big one

not knowing SB's stack was a much bigger mistake but if you aren't taking flops in position to someone who would fold 110 to win at least 1200, why would you even buy in?

you guys are acting like calling this hand is a mistake when a guy folded 3/4ths of his stack before the river so i doubt calling pre is a mistake, people make mistakes for a lot of money this deep and we can easily get away on the majority of flops

It IS a big mistake because your whole thought process here shows that you have no idea what you are doing.

Calling with 52s here may be a "small mistake" in isolation, but mistakes aren't made in isolation. If you are calling this hand it's almost certain that you are calling all sorts of trash here that isn't profitable, like, 63s, 74s, T6s, J7s, Q5s, QTo, A9o, and who knows what else.

Nah - KT knows wussup and is gunna skewl u fools. Never mind that hes a new acct spammin teh 4 rums

OP cracks me up. Every thread begins with "I am the best or second best player at the table." Umm, congrats on not being completely braindead in a pool of ******s?

Then he posts his thought process and it's like, never mind, loooooool.

none of my threads start with that, it's just a game and everyone has 65s in their range

i was kind of kidding as if i knew i shouldn't be in the hand with 52s but i don't consider it a large mistake

i was just hoping to help make this place a community like it was for the first 8 years of it's existence but it's constantly being trolled by whiners

why do you care so much that i played 25s, if i had posted the hand as 65s it would already be a discussion

ok, everyone folded and can't comment....cool, stop being rude about it, it's a fun game and a fun hand with an unexpected twist and the real question is how often i can get CO to fold AK

10 out turn draw deep is interesting and the pre flop hardly matters at all....90% of the time i folded the flop but i have all combos of 56s 34s set 45s. plus all the sets and obv 4 combos of the nuts (not folding 35s either) in my range and so does every single player at this table, so if you did want to comment, stop being actually mad that i played a hand you wouldn't

what is not interesting about having the nut bottom of your range with the strongest range in the hand?