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07-26-2014 , 04:42 PM
$1000 eff. My image young TAG. V is a 50ish Asian gambooler whale, stations any pair for all streets as long as bets are not outrageously big; stations any draw as weak as gutshot for 2 streets. Plays 30-40% of hands, mostly limping or calling raises preflop. Does not open much pre himself. History: I called him down OTT with 66 on xAJx board after flop checked thru and he had a J.

I open to $50 in UTG+1 with AhQd. Folds to V in CO who of course flats, others fold.

Flop: Qs6d2c Pot ~ $120 I bet $80, V calls.
Turn: Kh Pot ~ $280 I check. V bets $140.

You and why?
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07-26-2014 , 05:21 PM
Bet turn, as played call
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07-26-2014 , 06:06 PM
You answered your own question in the first paragraph, why would you check?
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07-26-2014 , 08:23 PM
i dont mind check/calling but against described V i am never check/folding

overall i prefer a bet on the turn
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07-27-2014 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by CRAIerrday
You answered your own question in the first paragraph, why would you check?

What do you mean?
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07-27-2014 , 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by CRAIerrday
You answered your own question in the first paragraph, why would you check?
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07-27-2014 , 10:16 AM
Reread your thread. It's not a good sign if you still like your line.
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07-27-2014 , 11:33 AM
175 ott
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07-27-2014 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by The Muffin Man
Reread your thread. It's not a good sign if you still like your line.
I don't see how ambiguity and lack of clarity adds to the discussion. I'm not here to play guessing games. I'm here for exactly the opposite reason - I want to know the right play and WHY it's the right play. If you or someone wants to play hint/guess games and is unwilling to explain their opinion, that's their right but I don't think that's the most effective way to have a poker strategy discussion and I won't play hint/guess games.

Last edited by Olaff; 07-27-2014 at 08:46 PM.
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07-27-2014 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Olaff
I don't see how ambiguity and lack of clarity adds to the discussion. I'm not here to play guessing games. I'm here for exactly the opposite reason - I want to know the right play and WHY it's the right play. If you or someone wants to play hint/guess games and is unwilling to explain their opinion, that's their right but I don't think that's the most effective way to have a poker strategy discussion and I won't play hint/guess games.
It's pretty clear what MM was getting at imo.

You might want to try doing a little more thinking for yourself, rather than expecting people in here to spell it out for you each time.
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07-27-2014 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Olaff
stations any pair for all streets as long as bets are not outrageously big; stations any draw as weak as gutshot for 2 streets. Plays 30-40% of hands.

I open to $50 in UTG+1 with AhQd. Folds to V in CO who of course flats, others fold.

Flop: Qs6d2c Pot ~ $120 I bet $80, V calls.
Turn: Kh Pot ~ $280 I check
You have an opponent who will happily call a bet on the turn with any pair or gutshot. Your hand is better on average than [pair+, gutshot]. By betting, you get your opponent to put money in the pot with a worse hand. By checking, you do not necessarily accomplish this.
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07-27-2014 , 09:50 PM
just size your thin value bets smaller vs this type of opponent. idk why you would ever check unless he has a high aggression factor, and will bet a size if checked to larger than he would call.
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07-27-2014 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Olaff
I don't see how ambiguity and lack of clarity adds to the discussion. I'm not here to play guessing games. I'm here for exactly the opposite reason - I want to know the right play and WHY it's the right play. If you or someone wants to play hint/guess games and is unwilling to explain their opinion, that's their right but I don't think that's the most effective way to have a poker strategy discussion and I won't play hint/guess games.
Helping people get there themselves is often more helpful than just giving them the answer.

I am done posting in your threads. Good luck in the future/see you next time I play 1/2.
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07-28-2014 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by verite
You have an opponent who will happily call a bet on the turn with any pair or gutshot. Your hand is better on average than [pair+, gutshot]. By betting, you get your opponent to put money in the pot with a worse hand. By checking, you do not necessarily accomplish this.
OK makes sense, thanks. Why did I check? I checked because an overcard fell and I didn't want to bloat the pot with K being very well in his range, especially OOP.
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07-28-2014 , 03:28 AM
Olaff I don't mean this to offend you but your threads are always asking some super basic fundamental questions and your thought process makes it pretty clear you are playing out of your league. You checked turn because an overcard came? Yeah vs somebody who plays 15% of their hands thats a card of concern (in which case you b/f 180) but against a huge whale you bet for thick, juicy value.

Seriously man, step down before you blow the roll.
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07-28-2014 , 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by UCDLaCrosse
Olaff I don't mean this to offend you but your threads are always asking some super basic fundamental questions and your thought process makes it pretty clear you are playing out of your league. You checked turn because an overcard came? Yeah vs somebody who plays 15% of their hands thats a card of concern (in which case you b/f 180) but against a huge whale you bet for thick, juicy value.

Seriously man, step down before you blow the roll.
Your concern seems sincere so thank you and I will respond. I will not blow my roll playing $5/$10. For the simple reason that I operate under strict and conservative BR management guidelines. No one can tell me to drop down, not you, not even I. There's no such person on Earth. The only thing that can tell me to drop down is my BR drops down below a certain pre-defined mark. And then I will. And as long as that hasn't happened I will be here, posting, learning, improving.

Secondly, I do my best not to take things personally here or get personal with anyone or blow my horn. But keep this in mind and I won't come back to this as all I'm interested in is LEARNING AND IMPROVING, not dick measuring contests. I grinded my way up to $5/$10 from the lowest of the stakes in 1 year using responsible BR management. I'm not some whale who plays $5/$10 because he can. I earned my ****ing stripes. Could I be horribad and simply luckedboxed my way up the stakes? Given the low # of hands played live that is certainly a possibility. Or maybe I'm just not as horribad as you or a few others here think. Time will tell

Lastly, I never said I was good. That's why I'm here.

Last edited by Olaff; 07-28-2014 at 05:27 AM.
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07-28-2014 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Olaff
Your concern seems sincere so thank you and I will respond. I will not blow my roll playing $5/$10. For the simple reason that I operate under strict and conservative BR management guidelines. No one can tell me to drop down, not you, not even I. There's no such person on Earth. The only thing that can tell me to drop down is my BR drops down below a certain pre-defined mark. And then I will. And as long as that hasn't happened I will be here, posting, learning, improving.

Secondly, I do my best not to take things personally here or get personal with anyone or blow my horn. But keep this in mind and I won't come back to this as all I'm interested in is LEARNING AND IMPROVING, not dick measuring contests. I grinded my way up to $5/$10 from the lowest of the stakes in 1 year using responsible BR management. I'm not some whale who plays $5/$10 because he can. I earned my ****ing stripes. Could I be horribad and simply luckedboxed my way up the stakes? Given the low # of hands played live that is certainly a possibility. Or maybe I'm just not as horribad as you or a few others here think. Time will tell

Lastly, I never said I was good. That's why I'm here.
You might not blow your roll, but you are asking super-simple questions at a high frequency. You might be beating the games if they are some of the softest 5/10 games around, but if you can't figure this stuff out on your own, you will be -EV against any decent regs. Just because you have the bankroll to play higher doesn't mean you should.
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07-28-2014 , 04:07 PM
This shouldn't even be a question, you should have bet the turn about 70% pot since after he calls the C-bet you're literally only worried about completely random floats, sets , KK, all hugely unlikely, and KQ only , and I don't even think a lot of whales play KQ, KK or sets like that, especially not KK, you get value from 77-JJ, Qx, gutshots, V should expect you to be barreling this card with air with a decent frequency too.
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