Wow I'm shocked he didn't have a value hand...

i'm not, i see this **** all the time at my casino.

You mean bluffing or sarcasm?

C/c turn would be fine, but to bluff, you'd have to start leading rivers.

Or, the other option is to c/r turn.

Villain should just bet turn and river if he wanted to bluff, as there really isn't any hand that villain has in his range that bets flop, checks turn, and then check/raises river for value.

the wild bluffing that makes no sense.

A good bluff would be like having AhQs on

JhKs4h6h9d board

You can rep the TQ or the flush

2 pairs or even trips will have a hard time calling - and you can bet all 3 streets if you would like.

OP, are you betting your Ax floats OTT? Why would you?

Probably not, but if I were, I would be doing it to entirely get him off some small Pps

My other X high hands, I'd be betting, but later on I'd need to balance this range up a bit. If he's never adjusting, I don't, but have to think they adjsut here at some point. I think early on, they never adjust because they have no idea what we are betting there on turn so it should be probably weighted to value hands.

So you never have a betting range OTT?

Vs competent players with no history, only bluffs. He really doesn't have enough to bet for value vs. Need to merge your ranges vs better players w/ history.

The idea is to let him bluff rivers, and then check behind a lot of rivers. Thin value bet some others, but, if you're thin value betting here, you're going to have to pick some hands to call c/r because your hand range is pretty capped.

Why, are you advocating we should have a turn bet range here?

No, just wanted to know your thoughts. Do you triple your X high floats or shut off if called OTT? Stuff like QJ you're floating I assume?

I think V made a sizing mistake OTF. Should be much smaller with his entire range no?

I agree he doesn't have much to pay off 2 more streets anyway so a check/bet line for value is superior as it allows him to bluff or catch up otr some of the time. What do you think your river bet looks like to him? I know you said it looks like QQ or something. To me it looks very valuey too, so what do you expect him to call you with? I think you get folds pretty often OTR. Just saying.

Also, how do you think V plays QQ-99 in this spot?

Depends on his range, first one, I let him probably have it. Once I see what I got floated with, will dictate the barrel next time, if I find he's really thinking, I'll start to balance this a lot.

His sizing on flop was super goofy that's for sure. I don't hate it, but he's going to need to have more than 1 sizing there and balancing 2 sizings is hard enough for most to not have it exploitable. But, it's tough to exploit over a small sample without being certain.

I can see some c-bets, I can some checks. Can't be capped in this spot to checking all your PPs or you'll get exploited by 3 barrels. I would think if he bet flop, he'd c/c turn and probably c/f river. If he saw me barreling me a lot he'd have to start calling.

If it goes c/c on turn and he bet flop with those hands, I'd expect a c/c on river. Calling 99/TT on river is probably really thin w/ how much river check backs you probably should have.

I think the most interesting thing is how do people play Ahxh on turn if you have no pair.

Agreed, just pointing out that cicakman was being sarcastic.

Agree with everything.

Regarding how to play Ahxh (which was V's actual holding), I feel he was probably planning to c/r turn?

It's a terrible 3b pre by villain with even worse sizing.

Why is a suited A a bad 3b pre?

It's bad when you're deep OOP. It's fine when you have the button.