Koss hit the nail on the head and you just ignored him. You're not getting value from anything by betting and you're just folding out all of his worse hands. Just because you're "the preflop aggressor" (this terminology needs to die since it's almost always used incorrectly) doesn't mean you have to bet every flop, even if you're in position.

The board isn't that bad, and it's only a 20% chance that a flush outdraws you on the turn. It's much better to bet small here or check. Betting small is probably best since it also uncaps your range and gets value from villain's draws. Even though villain took a more passive line, his range still consists of Ts, 8s, ATs+, KQs (and more) here, all which are ahead of you.

When you bet any marginal pair on the flop and check the turn, you're exploitable. Villain can flat your 3bet with any Ax here and bet the river for value if you check the turn and can also call the flop with any draws/air knowing he can bluff the river if you're weak. Players who just bet because they have any pair = fish. GVx222 explained this pretty nicely too.

If hero checks his underpairs to the A then he’s just as exploitable by V who can triple barrel all of his bluffs unless hero is checking back his Ax hands on this flop (which he’d never do) because hero will just about never check/call two streets here, much less three. Being exploitable works two ways, we can’t just ignore it in one direction to suit our argument.

but betting your underpairs doesn't solve this problem. That makes your checking range even weaker and even more susceptible to being triple barrelled.

If we check back the flop we might have to call some underpairs to ---double--- barrels, since we're in position. 3betting some Axs and occasionally checking back some nutted hands here seems fine to me.

If we were OOP, we'd still have the same problem. There's no way around having to check some hands. If we're playing correctly, we're not being exploited. We can exploit villain by overcalling some spew triple barrels though or check/folding to some nits.

But as I said, I prefer a small bet here since it basically accomplishes everything we want to accomplish and also has the added bonus of uncapping our range.

it's not about just checking underpairs, i don't want to ever check an ace here unless i specifically have the ace of diamonds. i feel that i can get check raised by worse and get villains stack in on the flop and he is pretty short but not short enough that i can stab here with nothing

if we only check when we have one diamond in our hand, our betting frequency will be 75% which seems slightly high but I think we can discount some aces from villains range like AK and possibly AQs and i actually don't have very many pure bluffs here, there aren't many c-bet stab hands in my range here but i would want him folding often when i do show up with one. even a hand like KQ isn't too bad here not a pure bluff with a gutter and 2 overs to second pair. even that hand is bettable so i don't see too many hands i would want to check back on this flop so i'm going with a high c-bet frequency with high size

You can do whatever you want, it doesn't matter to me. FYI checking the A here = bad.

so you want to check all of your high pairs and all of your aces except the ace of diamonds

that puts your cbet frequency at around 35% which seems way too passive to me, when are you every going to get value out of your hands and how are you going to set up your bluffs? guessing you are full of it and just trolling

anyway thanks for the discussion, i am pretty sure those c-betting this flop are the better players, having the "best hand" is meaningless, we want people to fold their equity, if your opponent has 36% you make money by getting him to fold all of it, the "best hand" is somewhat meaningless when you think of it that way

good discussion tho

result:

hero tank calls

discounting all aces from his range due to his sizing pre and action OTF, people trying to go for value like this pre don't all of a sudden make huge bets on the river. clearly he wants me to fold. his river bet size just makes zero sense and i discount a ton of aces from his range pre and post. I'm only worried about the K which i doubt he turns into a bluff OTR. I block most of the QJ combos that may play this way but even that i sense a check raise otf from, so lets discount that completely as well

I already explained this.

Checking the A here is bad, but I'm going to let you figure out why that is on your own, since it took me a while to learn--and also mainly because you're ignoring everyone even though you were the one asking advice in the first place.

I would 3b to 100. Cb 70. On this turn card 220 turning into bluff jamming river. We got nut blockers and villain is most likely 4b aa kk

I didn't ignore them. I dismissed their advice as wrong. also if you are betting Ad and not the other combos of aces your cbet% would be less than 50% when the flop nails your range and you are holding blockers-and villain has a ton of worse hands that can continue in his range. whatever you think you learned is probably wrong in the first place or you are giving out fake advice

there is more than one way to skin a cat, vs another player i might play it this way. this is perfectly fine imo. going for a big pf raise and small cbet is fine too we have a lot of good turns we can overbet or bluff with

Okay dude you win, guess you are the best poker player here. This despite the fact that you can't even correctly read what I've written and your posts have the coherence of those written by a 13 year old. Have fun running into this spot over and over and over.

Thread = unfollowed

If you're trolling, congrats you win also.

there is a couple winning players posting in here, then there are losing players that are typical haters. i'm posting here from work because it gives me a chance to "play" poker without having to go to the casino. im a student of the game playing a lot longer and probably a lot better than you but im still learning. been a winning player for 2 decades and i still find ways to study and i'm still not as good as im going to be next time i play. that's whats great about poker. no matter how good you are you can still get better...what game can you do that in?

you don't have to be a dick, state your opinion or gtfo