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Originally Posted by mdelore
Next time include stack and pot sizes to make it easier to read.
Flop pot size: 840
Turn pot size: 1820
Eff stack on turn: 4240
Do not 4b pre. Flop lead is pretty spewy in this spot against two ranges of TT+, AK. You would have gotten a lot more info from at least BB's hand strength if you allowed V1 to cbet. V1 may also have put money in the pot with the odd suited ace or something. Are you ever getting value from worse with QQ? And if V1 doesn't cbet you get to see BB's action on the turn anyway.
AP I think V1 never has AK type hands since the supernit was left to act on the flop and he bet into two players on the turn, so he's got an overpair or a set and both are crushing you. Diligent play is to just fold imo. Sucks but we have so many better hands in this spot.
I will include that, thanks.
I understand your line no 4bet, no lead. It would save me some BB.
A few things I also consider:
-V2 besides super nit is an open book post flop (old guy in his 60's), he would shove (yeah shove, not bet) with 10's JJ and KK, AA he would jam pre, QQ he might also check (although he is unlike to have that).
-V1 has almost a 100% Cbet when last agressor, some % of time check behind monsters on safe boards.
So if I check flop, he is allways cbeting around 2/3 pot and I will be on a hard spot don't knowing if he it the flop hard or don't.
By leading, in my opinion I get more info as he calls flop and bet turn... Am I Wrong?