I bought this up a while ago, and it seems to be getting worse.

Either we should keep this as up to 3/5 and mods move posts or we change the description on Low Stakes to include up to 5/10. I prefer moving posts, but both options are better than leaving it as "whatever".

I know some people complain there's no comments in the higher level forums, well that's not going to get better in there forums by posting there.

I can see a reason for posting if it's a 5/10 game that plays like a Low Stakes game, but so many of them don't seem to be that way.

I feel you mods need to make a call, because having it in limbo land where some people post in low stakes and others in the correctly labeled forum doesn't seem like a good state.

I also wondered.

I've been told that the mods have decided to allow it here, but also thought it was easier to not make it a big deal.

Unsure if there will be a public confirm/deny.

this sub forum is healthier than most of the strat forums, I don't think we need to be sabotaging it out of blind allegiance to the rules

What did the mods say when you PMed them?

We'll discuss. Currently we're trying not to steal posters from MHFR, but also noting that some posters prefer to post here. Also, there's been enough inflation since that distinction was made that the distinction isn't as clear. A $1K max 5/10 is no bigger than many 2/5 games, but an uncapped one might be closer to HS than to medium.

I'm temporarily locking this thread. I've sent my thoughts back to Garick. We'll likely have an answer in the next 12 hours of so. Currently, the rules for the forum were modified back in May:

After discussion, we've decide to stick with that policy, and also to not update the "default" levels that this thread is for. It seems to work out pretty well, and if you don't consider 5/10 to be applicable, there's no need to post in those threads.

Reopening thread for discussion.

OK, can't say I like the decision, but at least it's now an active choice, rather than passively accepting. I've said my piece and I will not mention it again.

Could just make it a general live NL forum. I think it makes a lot more sense to group by online/live than stakes. There's a bigger difference between 5/10 live and 200NL than there is between 5/10 live and live low stakes.

I'm not really concerned about 5/10 players getting poor advice because IMO they're not getting much better advice in MHFR based on a quick perusal.

As a high stakes player, I’m offended by this. Also, I can’t conceive of a better way to aggravate users in a time when they may be looking to several other more hip options for their strategy needs than to be overly legalistic with an arbitrary rule.

Condone: Approve or sanction with reluctance.

That summarizes the policy. I've put the definition up front because many people don't understand what the word means.

Nothing in this policy prevents anyone from starting a thread or posting in the MHFR forum. The mods continue to encourage people to do that. However, if someone feels they have a reason they want to start a 5/10 or higher thread in this forum, we're not going to stop them or move it. If you have a problem with the thread in this forum, PM the OP about it if you are so moved.

I also discourage taking this up with the new owners. While they themselves are uncertain what the medium term look of 2+2 will be, reading between the lines suggests their current direction will result in changes in how the strategy forums look and run. Given their few decisions already, they are going to lean towards allowing posters to do what they want, not restrict the subjects of where threads can be made.

2p2 founded in 1998

$2/$5 in 1998 = $3.33/$8.33 today

$5/$10 today = $3/$6 in 1998

I can't fathom how or why anyone is getting exercised by this.

There's an unfortunate tendency on internet forums (dealing with all subjects), that people who become long-term participants, in the process, acquire a sense of ownership of those forums. Then they start getting strident about what the moderators "should" or "shouldn't" do.

surely you can just post your hands where you like? why is it a big deal?

I'd probably prefer seeing the 5/10 (and higher) stakes hands posted here.

I think it's obvious to most lower stakes players to not just randomly start commenting on those threads. At least I try to stay out of them mostly.
It could be added to the sticky that new players shouldn't comment on these threads.

But it would be interesting to see the threads and replies here.

I totally agree live/online is completely different.
It would make very little sense to post a 5/10 hand in the online forum to me.
Then again I don't play higher stakes so I'm pretty clueless.

What would be even better is a separate live higher stakes subforum where you can post 5/10+ hands.

Strategy is the same whether you're playing .01/.02 or 5000/10,000.

While technically true, this is a really naive and low effort thought in this context. Many live low stakes spots that happen frequently are essentially unsolvable; utg limp, mp limp HJ iso bu sb and both limpers call, for example, doesn't happen at 500z maybe even once in a million hands. So the distinction between stakes and the types of strategy discussion between those stakes is relevant.

The difference in strategy isn't in the stake but in the opponents you face.
You play differently vs better opponents.
Unless you're trying to play GTO (NE) then it doesn't matter. I'm definitely not.

Strategy changes a ton depending on your opponent, even against different weak opponents.
Of course it's going to change vs better opponents in 5/10+ games.

the constant censoring of information in this forum is what has killed it, this is the only forum running now and it's viewership is at an all time low. I think the mods should have censored all the "confirmed troll" posts.

There are a lot of people on the fringe of poker who are just common A-holes, but they don't actually play. Everyone who i play with is nice and friendly. The ones who are angry tilted off their money circa 2013. Everyone once in a while they resurface and all of a sudden they are angry that top pair didn't hold on yet another flop. Money gone in an hour and i don't see them again ever. Those people who are constantly angry dominate the forum because there is nobody to stop them and we students of the game are the ones who suffer

this is the only place to post any threads and it's barely read anyway so why exactly do you want to continue censoring information?

Oh and by the way, any poker site that doesn't have an entire subforum dedicated to responsible gaming, recognizing gambling addiction, playing with only what you can afford to lose, and having low expectations about your earning potential is completely FOS and socially irresponsible so FU 2P2. Sayonara mods

Not going to lie, you had me until the 2nd half.

On topic, quite a few 2/5 games will on occasion allow match the stack, and even here and on CLP, we see some deep stacked 2/5s that play like 5/10. Never understood why that was separate, even ignoring that most of the other sub forums for HHs like this are pretty dead in comparison.

Its ok I am sure KT will b back with another new SN

Such as KTpurple perhaps.

???????
new owners?

I think 5/10 is fine here. Many rooms where I have played 1/2 1/3 and 2/5 also have a 5/10 game that runs at least semi-regularly, so although the opponents will be better at 5/10, we're still in the same ballpark.

There aren't many places where games higher than 5/10 run regularly, and I imagine that anyone playing in those stakes are probably not going to be starting threads on 2+2 asking whether they played their JJ in the BB correctly.

So just make this forum the catch-all for all live NL discussion.