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07-08-2014 , 03:02 PM

rongeremy

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 231

Playing 5 handed.. with 3 donks and an aggresive-competant player; just sat down

Villain: ~30 year old male who looks fishy

Hero: Young Asian

$1800 effective

Folds to button.. and the whale limps.. so does V in SB..

I raise to $40 in BB with AK.. Both call.

Flop($120) is AK6 rainbow.. Checks to me.. I bet $40 get light call from whale.. He calls and V raises to $180.. I reraise to $430.. and he instajams ~$1400 on top...

Hero?

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07-08-2014 , 03:06 PM

Stellamoose

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 522

I don't know if I can find a fold here.

If he limps/calls 5 handed out of the sb with AA-KK then gg...if he has one of 44 combos then it is just a tough spot.

I think villain has AQ, A4, AJ (even K4) type of hands here and is just being a maniac.

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07-08-2014 , 03:09 PM

Coleboyx

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 360

Otf bet 3/4 pot v fish. We're losing tons of value by getting fancy and betting small v fish. Just play straight forward vs them.

Once c/r I'm getting it in I guess. I think he c/r with worse 2p. Would like to hear other peoples thoughts vs c/r too.

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07-08-2014 , 04:53 PM

pilliapina

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 490

Bet bigger on the flop 3/4 pot should be good, then call the raise, no reason to have a 3bet range on this board.

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07-08-2014 , 06:52 PM

borg23

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 15,046

bet more on the flop, as played never fold

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07-08-2014 , 08:12 PM

diskoteque

Joey Local

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 30,420

Never folding

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07-09-2014 , 04:58 AM

djevans

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 5,051

pretty sick so deep. set of 6 - still have 4 outs LOL.

you have no reads so you have to call it off based on hand strength alone. GL

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07-09-2014 , 07:35 AM

venice10

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Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 25,855

If he can 4 bet shove on the flop with anything other than a set, it is a call.

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07-09-2014 , 08:18 AM

iraisetoomuch

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Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 37,496

When you raise to $430 what are you expecting to happen?

Are you expecting him to flat with worse? What do you think that he does with A6 and K6 when you 3bet the flop?

Consider that and you will likely have you answer.

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07-09-2014 , 08:54 AM

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djevans

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 5,051

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Originally Posted by venice10

If he can 4 bet shove on the flop with anything other than a set, it is a call.

he has no clue cuz he is read less.

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07-09-2014 , 09:51 AM

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VentralStriatum

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Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 47

Damn what a flop for a big game like that with that much cash... top two against bottom set whaaat? Did you call all in in the end? That **** wouldve stayed with me for weeks

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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch

Id say this. I mean I wouldn't have the self control to think harder about it in the moment which is why I'm still noob, but logically i mean yeah you have an amazing flop, but if this dude is ready to shove a grand and his stack just on the flop after limping preflop, I guess it points to a set. And correct me if im wrong, since you hold AK, the odds of villain holding AA or KK is decreased, so the only likely outcome here is a weak ace, set of 6, or a ridiculous bluff.

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07-09-2014 , 10:08 AM

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KyddDynamite

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,544

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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch

This. Know what you're doing when you 3bet and you'll know what you're doing when he jams before he does it.

Snap call btw.

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07-09-2014 , 11:04 AM

#13

VentralStriatum

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Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 47

Haha, snap call to flush a thousand dollars down the toilet, unless of course he gets that higher boat

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07-09-2014 , 11:50 AM

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Stellamoose

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 522

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Originally Posted by VentralStriatum

Haha, snap call to flush a thousand dollars down the toilet, unless of course he gets that higher boat

This is a bit results oriented, no??

I think calling > folding esp. without some sort of read or history with the villain 100% of the time.

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07-09-2014 , 01:41 PM

#15

au4all

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Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 2,872

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Originally Posted by venice10

If he can 4 bet shove on the flop with anything other than a set, it is a call.

If he can 4-bet shove only value hands then it's a fold. We're not getting the right pot-odds to call. He's shoving more than a pot-sized bet so we know we need a minimum 33.3% equity to call.

Board: Ac Kd 6h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 29.085% 07.09% 22.00% 466214 1446477.00 { AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 70.915% 48.92% 22.00% 3217064 1446511.00 { KK+, 66, AKs, AKo }

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07-09-2014 , 02:18 PM

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thaiha91

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 262

Pretty much a call after u take this line, if u bet big on flop u might not get into this trouble. But if u have a read that he can does this base on thinking that u squeeze a lot in that situation, then congrats u got him

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