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5/10 Aria Did I play this hand wrong? 5/10 Aria Did I play this hand wrong?

08-07-2014 , 09:28 PM
Hero with 1400, Villain with about similar stack.

9 handed, I was BB, Villain was SB. Raise to 40, Button called, Villain called, I called.

I had 5,6os

Flop 10d 7s 4d

Checked to Button who raised to 120. Villain called. I made it to 550. Button folded. Villain shoved all in. Figured I was a 3 to 1 dog and EV was just about right to make the call so I did.

Did I play the hand wrong? (besides perhaps I shouldn't have called preflop)
08-07-2014 , 09:39 PM
Fold preflop.

As played:

Your stack is not really big enough to get some one to make a big fold to you.
I would just call and try to bink a straight for cheap.
08-08-2014 , 12:56 AM
fold fold fold fold preflop. that hand is so far behind everyone's range and even if you hit something good it's still easy to be way behind (flopping bottom 2, straight draw, trips with a worthless kicker, etc.)

It's hard for a semi-bluff to work against 3 opponents. You need a pretty good read that they're weak and/or willing to believe you have a set. Obviously you misread them if that's what you thought you could do here.

A fold is probably better- you only have 6 clean outs, so when one of the 41 other cards shows up you've just thrown away $120. I don't think you have implied odds if you hit your 6-outer, because that would also require you having correctly read your opponent as willing to stack off when an obvious straight (or potential set) has arrived.
08-08-2014 , 01:03 AM
Yep should have definitely folded preflop. But going to the flop, I felt that I had a chance to steal the pot based on checking all the way to the Button, who was just betting his position.

Once SB went all in, I didn't really have much of a choice. I had 800 left and the pot was 2900 so I shoved it in and hoped for the best (I figured this play is about even on EV. Correct me if I am wrong)

Last edited by jlocdog; 08-10-2014 at 10:57 PM.
08-08-2014 , 09:09 AM
Fold pre.

Seeing the flop, I would probably donk the flop.

As played checking, I would probably just call.
08-08-2014 , 04:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CalKid
Yep should have definitely folded preflop. But going to the flop, I felt that I had a chance to steal the pot based on checking all the way to the Button, who was just betting his position.
Not a bad idea but then you have to fade the SB who demonstrating stickiness by calling $35 preflop, and then check-calling $120, so you need some kind of read to make you think he's going to change his mind the 3rd time he faces aggression.

Quote:
Once SB went all in, I didn't really have much of a choice. I had 800 left and the pot was 2900 so I shoved it in and hoped for the best (I figured this play is about even on EV. Correct me if I am wrong)
Unless you're missing some details, the pot should be $2190 (assuming villain has you covered: 40+40+40+40+120+550+550+810) and you have $810 to call.

You have ~26% chance to hit your 6-outer. If you have a live pair draw (vs. a flush draw that doesn't hold the 7) you have 6 more outs, and if you're against a non-flushdraw then you have 2 more outs from the diamonds, so you might give yourself 3 more outs or another ~13%

$810 to win $2190 is 2.7:1, so your ~39% is very marginally +EV. If you know the play is basically EV-neutral, then you absolutely have a choice whether you feel like flipping or not.

Last edited by jlocdog; 08-10-2014 at 10:58 PM.
08-10-2014 , 08:53 AM
You just about did the opposite of what you should've done, at every single decision point of this hand.
08-10-2014 , 03:44 PM
130:30 preflop I think a call is lighting money on fire,
08-11-2014 , 12:59 AM
eh. I don't totally hate it as much as the rest. I think you get a lot more folds in live poker here than people think.

as others said, I prefer a fold preflop...but I think you played it ok postflop. I wouldn't do this really often or anything - but you have every set in your range and lots of combo draws (so even AT shouldn't be super thrilled here). I love your betsizing. you left a nice size to shove turn and you are also priced in vs a shove. and it was def a nice hefty bet that should get a lot of made hands to fold (obv not sets). Also straight draws will basically all fold.

btw I think just calling the $120 would be a big mistake (for reasons stated previously).

I would guess button is just betting whatever and SB is going to raise his sets a lot. I think you get plenty of folds.

plus when you hit it's pretty awesome hah

prob if you chose to do a play like this again, try to have a backdoor draw to go with your hand. like say you did this with 56ss or 89ss, you could shove on any spade turn (if called) and have a little bit more equity. or even if it plays out like this and you call, you win a little bit more. doing this will also help lower your overall bluff frequencies to a more reasonable level. if you did this EVERY time you flopped a straight draw, it'll be too often and your opponents will just trap you and know you are bluffing too much.

also you should prob only do this play if you haven't been moving chips around a ton. or if you are winning a bunch. it matters live if you are sitting on top of a huge stack if you've hit a few big hands. your bluffs get more credit (in general).
08-12-2014 , 10:38 PM
Fold pre even from the button. You got a great flop and you're still screwed being out of position.
08-13-2014 , 12:54 AM
Thread closed... It doesn't belong in LLSNL.
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