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07-21-2021 , 12:18 AM
Me and BB both have the image of aggro online kids. He saw me make a thin shove OTF with KQ on Q97xss ans get paid by JTss and he saw me get stacked with a set vs a straight for 200bb and he sees me 3bet a lot and lots of cbets and aggressive ****. He’s been 3betting a lot too idk it’s an aggressive dynamic.

7 handed.
1K effective

Hero A7dd UTG open to 30.
UTG+1 nitty TAG flats.
Villain is in the BB and flats.

3 ways
(95) flop A33r
X hero bets 30. UTG+1 folds. BB calls.
(155) turn 4ss
X x
(155) riv Kx
X hero?

I could downsize for value....?
Bomb to push off a chop?
Check back to nit my way all the way home?

I have some sort of nut advantage I’m sure.
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07-21-2021 , 12:52 AM
He’s gotta be calling your flop cbet pretty wide, but the check on the river would indicate he’s either giving up or has some showdown value. But that could be anything from an A to like 77 or 66. But given that he checked OTR, I’d rather push him off a chop if he has an A as I expect him to have very little 3x here
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07-21-2021 , 01:47 AM
Where the turn bet at captain aggro? Bomb turn I think, not riv. AP bet same as otf.
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07-21-2021 , 02:35 AM
I dont play 5/T but how do you not bet the turn? You playing A7 just to hit NFD and nothing else? You have a LAG image, flop/turn are total bricks for your range, if he wants to keep you honest then tax him.
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07-21-2021 , 03:00 AM
I’d xb turn at least some of the time with this hand as well

Do you really have a nut advantage here? I’d expect him to have some 3x+ here and you virtually none (maybe some KK)
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07-21-2021 , 03:20 AM
What exactly does a turn bomb accomplish?

I was thinking I want some AX in my bet/check line and this seems like a pretty reasonable candidate.

I don’t think I can get 3 streets of value here with such a dusty kicker so it’s a question of of it’s better to b/b/x or b/x/b with the possibility of bluff catching riv as well. Also I didn’t think we achieve much equity denial with a turn bet.
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07-21-2021 , 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by jvds
I’d xb turn at least some of the time with this hand as well

Do you really have a nut advantage here? I’d expect him to have some 3x+ here and you virtually none (maybe some KK)


True but I have AA AK KK and I think 3X finds a flop XR at a decent freq
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07-21-2021 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
What exactly does a turn bomb accomplish?

I was thinking I want some AX in my bet/check line and this seems like a pretty reasonable candidate.

I don’t think I can get 3 streets of value here with such a dusty kicker so it’s a question of of it’s better to b/b/x or b/x/b with the possibility of bluff catching riv as well. Also I didn’t think we achieve much equity denial with a turn bet.
Turn spade adds equity to your flop ‘air’.
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07-21-2021 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
True but I have AA AK KK and I think 3X finds a flop XR at a decent freq

You are betting flop and xb turn with AA/AK/KK? I agree 3x will xr some, but you can barrel pretty frequently on an Ahi board vs bb complete range, so it’s reasonable for V to slow play some 3x, and V can have 44 as well. Relevant here bc if V thinks you are effectively capped at Ax and will bet River then xr becomes very attractive even with Ax.
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07-22-2021 , 02:21 PM
pretty lag open UTG with A7 even suited
given that
bet turn

as played

ck back

if V check raises you your folding so save the $$$$ for a better spot
(IE: I would c/r here if I was V) on river
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07-22-2021 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
What exactly does a turn bomb accomplish?

I was thinking I want some AX in my bet/check line and this seems like a pretty reasonable candidate.

I don’t think I can get 3 streets of value here with such a dusty kicker so it’s a question of of it’s better to b/b/x or b/x/b with the possibility of bluff catching riv as well. Also I didn’t think we achieve much equity denial with a turn bet.
I agree we can't go for three streets with this. I think on this board, it's better to x back the flop, then try to go for two streets as opposed to leading out. This is one of our worst aces. At least the wheel ones give us some BD equity. BB has way more 3's than us and UTG+1, and UTG+1 himself probably has ATo-AQo and most suited aces outside of AK/AQ.

I mean, in a HU spot vs an optimal BB we're doing a lot of checking here anyways, so I think 3 way, sandwiched in the middle, we can't go wrong checking this as well to protect all our PP's that x back. I'd probably just bet AA/A3s/AK/AQ for value, maybe some AJ too. Would probably bluff with the worst showdown value part of our range that can improve, like JTs and worse SCs with BDFD.

As played, I like the turn x. Def need to bet this river. Not sure how I feel about a bomb to get him off a chop. I think someone aware will call you down with an ace almost always. I'd probably just bet small to target some his PP's and the oddball rivered King from when he defends us OTF with a backdoor Flush & broadway draw or maybe something like K4s that has a BD wheel/FD.
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07-23-2021 , 01:20 AM
RESULT

Hero bets POT and villain tank calls and mucks?
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07-23-2021 , 02:07 AM
Sweet
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07-23-2021 , 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
Sweet


I was trying to push him off a chop.... :/
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07-23-2021 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
What exactly does a turn bomb accomplish?
Puts him on tilt so he'll snap call 3 streets with 55 like a boss.
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07-23-2021 , 10:52 PM
Wow, that's an interesting hand. I was going to recommend usually just checking back as you are super Ax heavy when checking back and the value you can obtain bet betting river should be minimal whereas you are opening the pot to get x/r bluffed.

An overbet would be interesting but it's so easy to overdo it.

Luckily, your opponent levelled themselves into a call with a worse hand.

Now you know that that player is capable of levelling themselves so you can push them around a bit. I'm curious to know what they had. Kx or pockets obv. Annoying spot if they raise though.
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07-23-2021 , 10:54 PM
Turn bomb is dumb. Villain has 3x still and we clearly have a showdown realization hand. If any sizing makes sense, it’s a block. Then, you can consider bombing river but not with this hand imo.
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07-23-2021 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by vicpwnsypp06
Turn bomb is dumb. Villain has 3x still and we clearly have a showdown realization hand. If any sizing makes sense, it’s a block. Then, you can consider bombing river but not with this hand imo.
Make him have 3x and level off everything else. Smash turn w this game flow dynamic. PRINTTTTTTT
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