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Originally Posted by 7weeks2days
UTG +2 had KK not QQ. Not sure if you misread or I am misunderstanding your post. I understand why they might but I thought they were flatting because of the solid reg on reg depth, less so because of the ep raise. It wouldve been nice if someone raised so I couldve seen the deep premium ep flats playout. I understand I shouldn't be auto flatting kings but for the first time I am playing a decent amount of 300 bb poker and I just dont have any experience and feel like I am missing out on a lot.
If everyone is 100bb deep, are you still flatting utg +2 w/KK?
Ava is right about the UTG1 range tending to be very strong but the primary reason UTG2 didn't raise KK has nothing to do with range dynamics and everything to do with the fact your BB (their UTG) is the spot.
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
In this hand, the idea that we are just as likely to induce a 4b by 3betting is silly. There's just no way that's true. When we 3b we give BB the one chance to not totally spew here with any two napkins. If we had a previous dynamic with him cold 4betting our 3bs like at any noticeable clip, maybe.
FWIW the idea that we should be flatting way less here and 3betting more of our continuing range (but simply just having a tighter range altogether) is correct. But it's correct because BB is going to squeeze here a ton. Which means we can flat AA and print da monies
I never suggested that youre as likely to induce BB to 4 bet via a 3 bet (compared to induce BB 3b by flatting), but only pointing out that he actually has more 4 bets than he should given his propensity for overplaying/not fully being in tune with opponents ranges. I also think it's worth noting that specifically with AA, hero blocks chunks of a euro (non-German) LAGs traditional 3b range which unavoidably moves him more toward overcalls when we flat and potentially more flats/bluffs when we 3 bet.
I'm sure there are spots where a flat might approach the EV of 3 betting, but just not when a super passive fun player 7x opens btn no matter who is in the BB.