**1/2NLH Hand Analysis**

We are $333 effective on the BTN.
HJ ($219) makes it $6 to go.
BTN ($333) calls with A♣️4♣️.
SB ($442) calls.
FLOP($20) 3❤️4♦️4♠️
SB checks. HJ checks. Hero bets $13. SB calls. HJ folds.

TURN ($46) A❤️
SB checks. BTN checks.

River ($46) 8♣️
SB bets $32. BTN re-raises to $64. SB re-raises to $256. BTN is never folding here, so with $250 left should BTN call the additional $192 or re-raise and jam the rest of it in?

What are you posting this for? Obviously shove the rest. And also, you shouldve just done that over the $32 bet.

Sorry not sorry that he had 88. We dont even have player reads, feels like a useless bad beat post

While I appreciate the hexadecimal bet sizing on the river I don’t see a 4-b or a question? We’re $333 effective. The river bet would leave you with like $50 if you called. Super clear you pitch the extra $50 in and don’t min raise the river any more.

If you folded this then...don't post results.

I'm posting with the intentions of learning. Hero is obviously not folding here, just wanted to know if calling or raising is the better play. I honestly didn't know.

So hard to learn and improve on this forum when posters get ostracized for posting questions on here.

Bet the turn! I mean really, wtf are you checking for? As played jam it in. If he had 88 who cares.

Lol ya, i lurked these forums for years in fear of the troll hunters. Just keep posting hands you need help with,dont troll, and just cherrypick the usefull bits of feedback from all the trashtalk.
Theres an idea in poker called being pot commited. Thats why you can never not put in your last 50 dollars here. Because you have put so much money"commitment" into the pot. You have no choice but to try to win it all. Its like working for a company for 50 years or something. The day before getting your pension you cant quit because your already commited.

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Why’d you check the turn?

For learning Khoi, I would agree with WJ, bet the turn.
There are a lot of Ax cards that might call a bet on the flop thinking they’ll get there.
Straight draws will still call if in...

Basically get your money in with good hands at 1/3.
And it’s a lot harder to get all your money in without betting every street.

(Plus you give someone with 4% equity a free shot to take $320 from you if you check and a miracle card comes for them...)

Also why are you minraising the river? Make it $115-125. You have a boat!

This. Talk about a negative equity freeroll check OTT. Keep betting here if you intend to stack off when he hits an 8 OTR. Basically you got no more value when ahead and then paid him off when beat. Mucho No Bueno.

As to your question, you obviously put in the rest as he never has AA so the only hand you lose to is 88.

Thanks for the feedback all!

I checked turn thinking I was trapping. Trapping is always my 1st instinct and I acted too fast in checking back.

In retrospect if I would have spent a few seconds to think it through, I probably would have figured out that there are still a ton of draw hands or Ax hands that would call the flop and still call turn there.

On river, I guess I contemplated calling because if I was coolered here then I would still have 58 behind and have to reload $142 instead of a full $200, sounds pretty nitty I know

In the end I crammed the rest of it in there and he snapped w/ 88

Welcome to the forum. You have a hand analysis title bar in the OP and have some really basic questions so I'll assume you are new and give some feedback with less attitude. It's rare in our 1/2 games to see a pre flop raise of only 3 big blinds ($6), if you are new I'd suggest being careful playing small Aces when calling raises, suited or not, even on the BTN. Being dominated (out kicked) is one of the worst spots in NLH. Assuming you know this I'm ok with the call on the BTN. On the flop I like our bet, I'd even go $15 to make it a simple 3 red chips. I see your logic for checking behind OTT but we should really be thinking about how to play for stacks at this point. The A will often scare off players from drawing so I'm ok with the check but keep in mind that sometimes you have to bet here depending on who is in the hand with you. You haven't described Villains at all so I can't advise what might work best. OTR when V makes more than a 2/3 pot sized bet go ahead and make more than a minimum raise, at least 2.5-3x. When V 3 bets to 256 there is zero reason for you not to go all in and save $58 just in case V has one of the two hands that beat you. On terminology. Pre-flop the blind is considered a forced bet. So anyone acting after the blinds is raising the forced bet and if someone re-raises it's considered a 3 bet. On the river (OTR) SB bets and you do not re-raise, us just raise to 64, then SB 3 bets to 256. If you go all in it will be a 4 bet. Your thread title implies SB was making the huge 4 bet when it's actually a 3 bet. Check out the sticky thread on Common LLSNL Acronyms to get up to speed.

Re-hashing the final decision, there are only two hands that beat you here AA and 88. Think about how the hand played. Without Villain descriptions it's more difficult but in general AA would have bet or raised pre-flop (x/c), flop (x/c), or turn (x/x). SB did none of these, the likelihood he holds AA is extremely low and should be ignored. 88 is possible but it's also likely depending on the player that 88 may raise pre (depending on player type) or lead out on this flop. Generally, when there's only one hand that beats you and it's a pocket pair where there's only 3 combinations of 88 left for Villain to have in his hand (since one 8 is on the board) you should always raise here. It's more likely V has a big Ace or slow played a big 4 or is just bluffing a missed draw. If you're not putting in the extra $58 here you are losing value. You'll be gaining $58 extra probably 20 times for every one time that Villain shows you 88 or AA.

Pot committed is only used when you have to make a call.

Hero has to make a shove ( for like $3 more )

Is there seriously a chance OP is being sincere about not knowing whether he should shove the remaining $3 with his boat? I doubt it

It's not $3 more, its $58. Nonetheless I did cram rest of it in.

I do apologize, i meant $3 as in its an irrelevant amount, when you check the turn you know SOMETHING, and now on river you also know you have to call. So the question of the other $58 sounds strange, of course you should cram it because you checked the turn ... (iin reality this isnt why youre shoving it all in, its because your hand is so strong, and even a little underrepresented, but im trying to show you how even from your point of view it should be obvious)

Why are you referring to yourself in the 3rd person here? This is confusing.

I actually think we should just call. But we should never have gotten into this silly spot. Checking turn is defensible, but not in order to raise river to this sizing.

Yeah, I agree. Don't check turn and then raise river. These are parts of 2 different lines. Generally speaking, you don't want to do this at 1/2.