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Originally Posted by nutes5
Playing in a 1-2 home game which essentially plays like a 2-5. Just want some opinions about how to play hand cause I have no idea.
Villain 1: UTG+1 ($100). Fairly simple player. Really hasn't been doing to much special but has slowly lost half his buy in
Villain 2: Mid position ($500). HUGE FISH. Asked at one point does 3 of a kind beat a straight. Also we played a hand before where I limped utg, next position opened to 12, he called, I raise to 55, original raiser goes to 125, he flats, I ship for 300 more, original raiser folds, he calls with a-8 off - I flip kings and naturally lose. Not a sob story just showing how much of a fishy we have here.
Villain 3/4 ($250 each): late position. Tight passive players, if they have a hand youll hear about it quick otherwise they usually just call pre then on the flop.
Villain 5 ($300); SB. played with him a bunch. He isn't very good and when he reraises he normally has a pretty solid hand. Also a guy who will fold if you pressure him in marginal spots. Has been complaining about running cold recently.
Hero ($230): BB. Been playing TAG, straight up. Really havn't done much special yet because we are only a couple hours into the game. Have yet to show a hand and most of my wins were raise pre, bet flop, win. Have played with most of these guys and they think that I'm tight but capable of nutty bluffs from time to time.
Okay enough background and the hand.
Villain 1: Limp
Villain 2: Raise to 7
Villain 3/4: call
Villain 5: Raise to 17
Hero: 4c3c Call
Everyone else calls
Okay I know I'm going to get ripped apart for this preflop call but let me say my logic. If this is bad let me know but here it is. First, I was 100% sure that everyone else was going to complete. No one was going to fold and there was a .001% chance that the original raiser/huge fish is going to reraise or that anyone else is going to reraise for that matter. He calls any raise pre so if anyone there had a premium hand they would have reraised. Therefore, I'm really calling 17 into 85... pretty good odds. Second, most of the table here would put me on a pocket pair and not a low suited connector. I would have raised any pocket pair above 10's and ak,aq, and folded aj and below. They know this - thus, hitting a straight or flush isn't something they are going to put me on. Therefore, if I hit a flush, I can get paid (assuming no flush over flush) and if I hit a straight I'll probably get paid too.
Flop (102)
10-7c-6c
SB: Bets 35
Hero: ???
Therein lies the problem with your logic. If you hit a flush and get any action behind you, will you be able to fold? Plus, your straight draw sucks. Never draw to a straight that isn't the nuts in a 5-way pot.
People get ripped for posting hands with this action because invariably, it always gets them into a spot like this. I've been in this spot before and will call a raise OOP with bad SCs and immediately ask myself why. Its because you'll always remember flopping that monster and winning a 200BB pot against AA or KK but will never think twice about the 200BBs you've blown off calling and folding flops or on later streets when you whiff.
As played I'm as confused as you are as to what our best line is after this weak lead with 3 players left to act behind us.