In your typical llsnl game, when a player 3bets you, they typically arent bluffing.

3bet ranges in llsnl are mostly JJ+ and AK. Running poker stove against that range, and we can see that AK is about 27%.

When villians 3bet at llsnl they are extremely unlikely to fold, so if we have close to zero fe, which is one of the biggest edges we get from 4betting a hand like ak, is it correct to assume it is rarely correct to 4bet shove ak against a typical llsnl villian, unless he is very short stacked, say less than 50bb deep?


I ask because today at 2-5, playing 6 handed, villian is an ultra nit who does not raise ak or aq (hes been limping them instead), but only has $350 stack.

I raise utg+1 with aks in a straddled pot to $30. Villian 3bets for the first time in a 2 hour session to $110. Folds around. Hero?

Depends on the player honestly. You say typical villain but there are so many "typical villains". Some 3bet with air and some only 3bet with AA-KK. So really there is no typical way to play it IMO.

Recently I had a hand where I straddled the button older man calls in the SB, someone in late position raises to $65, I flat on the btn with AK, and old man shoves for $500 or so. Clearly AA/KK right? Nope had KTo.

Yeah, super V dependent, but I would need a read before I 4-bet shove AK. Given your read that "villian is an ultra nit who does not raise ak or aq," I would never 4-bet here, and given that V "only has $350 stack" and prob wouldn't 3-bet anything less than QQ (maybe JJ) if he wouldn't 3-bet AK, I wouldn't flat. Just fold.

Yeah i ended up tank folding AKs, just kinda gross in a 6handed straddled pot against a shorty. But oh well. And there was no way i was going to flat

Against someone with 50bb's I'm probably getting it in. Again it's player dependent but if it's not an old man coffee type I don't mind getting it in for 50bb's.

We are smoked here. Fold Honestly this shouldnt be a question. He wont raise AK. What do you think he has 3 betting you here?

Mr luck box: please re read your original poast. This is the biggest fist pump fold in the history of teh pokerz

You are way off on your equity assessment. AKo + AKs has 40% equity against AK, JJ+. Now in your specific old man nit example, I think you have a clear fold. But especially against short-stacked opponents 50bb or less, getting it in with AK is a fine play (unless you have a great read otherwise).

The exact hand here is an easy fold.

He'd have to be MUCH shorter stacked than he is for us to feel committed.

Didn't see the re edit of OP. Easy fold

This.

OP: You get these figures from a pc ap called "Poker Stove". A similar ap for iPhone is "Poker Sniper." Totally cool stuff.

I'll just note that you can't download pokerstove any longer.

Sure you can

https://github.com/andrewprock/pokerstove

The fact that he had a short stack shouldn't make us stack off lighter pre... If he is a nit, we should fold...
We shouldn't give nits action

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