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4b QQ getting called and checked to river? 4b QQ getting called and checked to river?

08-11-2019 , 04:52 PM
Hand n°1/1 - 8/11/19

9 players - Blinds 1/3

Setup
SB (380 - 126.7BB)
BB (500 - 166.7BB)
UTG+1 - Hero (800 - 266.7BB) [Q♣︎Q♦︎]
BTN (500 - 166.7BB)

Preflop (Pot size: 0)
SB posts small blind 1
BB posts big blind 3
UTG folds
Hero bets 12
UTG+2 folds
MP folds
HJ folds
CO folds
BTN calls 12
SB raises 48
BB folds
Hero raises 111
BTN folds
SB calls 63

Flop (Pot size: 237) [A♠︎4♠︎3♥︎]
SB checks
Hero checks

Turn (Pot size: 237) [J♥︎]
SB checks
Hero checks

River (Pot size: 237) [9♣︎]
SB bets 176
Hero??

I don’t think river is a call - any point c bet small on the flop?
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08-11-2019 , 05:08 PM
It would be helpful if we had descriptions of villains. With no reads I'm honestly just flatting the 3 bet considering we raised from EP and were 3 bet. If we are going to 4 bet, I would go $150.

Flop I'm definitely checking. I would expect villain to lead out the turn with his A's and JJ. I'm pretty torn between checking and going for a small value bet, but would probably just check this back and plan to get one street of small value on the river.

As played I think we have to call this river bet. As mentioned prior, I would expect villain to barrel his A's and JJ ott, and try to get stacks in by the river. This isn't ideal as 99 is definitely in his range, but we also showed a lot of weakness post and he could easily be trying to steal with a hand like TT or KQs.
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08-11-2019 , 05:58 PM
Just fold to the river bet. What can you beat that is 4bet calling pf? AA, KK, JJ and AK all beat you. Unless you have his 4 bet calling range at like 77 and KT, you're not getting odds to call.
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08-11-2019 , 09:48 PM
It's hard to assign a 4b/c range aside from AK if we already have QQ. Maybe TT-JJ and AQ.

However, he can have JJ-QQ and is weary we have KK+ and hoping we have AK and miss flop.

I'm betting flop and basically giving up if he calls.
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08-12-2019 , 03:43 AM
Is there a merit to cbet my entire 4b range considering it has all AK, AA, KK half of QQ and maybe 25% of A5-A2s as a bluff?
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08-12-2019 , 03:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by venice10
Just fold to the river bet. What can you beat that is 4bet calling pf? AA, KK, JJ and AK all beat you. Unless you have his 4 bet calling range at like 77 and KT, you're not getting odds to call.
I agree as played it is a fold - any merits in betting on flop or turn?
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08-12-2019 , 03:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bombonanza
It's hard to assign a 4b/c range aside from AK if we already have QQ. Maybe TT-JJ and AQ.

However, he can have JJ-QQ and is weary we have KK+ and hoping we have AK and miss flop.

I'm betting flop and basically giving up if he calls.
I start to realise the benefits of betting flop
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08-12-2019 , 08:14 AM
This is live poker. Providing basic reads about villains is basically mandatory!

Assuming his squeeze range is a lot wider than QQ+/AK I would 4bet as well, but probably slightly bigger here, to ~120. You're in position and he's only 126bb deep, though, so you don't have to go much bigger.

I really hate checking behind the flop and turn and then hating life and wanting to fold when he bets, so I would start by betting 1/4 pot on the flop with my whole range.
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08-12-2019 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
This is live poker. Providing basic reads about villains is basically mandatory!

Assuming his squeeze range is a lot wider than QQ+/AK I would 4bet as well, but probably slightly bigger here, to ~120. You're in position and he's only 126bb deep, though, so you don't have to go much bigger.

I really hate checking behind the flop and turn and then hating life and wanting to fold when he bets, so I would start by betting 1/4 pot on the flop with my whole range.
Would you GII if he jams over my 4b? I was raising to a size that should he 5b I can still find a fold with QQ - also, the live read I have on him is (which is quite brief) - he is quite new to the table but he seems to be on the slightly looser side - he jammed over my 3b of £45 once with a stack of £185 with AQ and I snapped with AK - He reloaded £200 and doubled up

Hero's image is also slightly loose as Hero got a stream of AQ+ hands in quite short consecutive sequence so it is possible that V thinks I was raising light
I think given my image at then my 4b is profitable

On your last point, I agree that I should definitely down bet on the flop and proceed from there since I would have a lot more of hands that has at least one A in my hand when I 4b
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