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11-19-2014 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by surviva316
Oh lol, that probably would've precluded the whole "we can't let V2 string along" argument. We definitely want this bozo in the hand.
V1 is the one 1000 deep who we were worried about set mining
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11-19-2014 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Cbrewer4
V1 is the one 1000 deep who we were worried about set mining
Regardless, it's still very bad to push V2 out of the hand. You can't quite compare it to burning money, but it's maybe more like not cashing a graduation check from your rich uncle. Discouraging a player from putting 50bbs into the pot to setmine OOP isn't worth pushing out the biggest fish in the hand and the only player against whom we're making a fat margin.
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11-19-2014 , 09:00 PM
Interesting spot OP. I turned 21 2013 of February , been going to the Casino quite frequently killing the 1/2 games..

From my experience whenever I have raised and gotten 3B from someone who limps outside of the blind/straddle, its almost ALWAYS the goods, exclusively KK+ and maybe less than 5% of the time AK because they think they have you beat and want to take it down preflop. Since you have KK(blockers to AK etc) I would say he shows up with AA a lot of the time if you get it in preflop. With that being said, I would personally still 4B get it in most of the time because KK is just too strong of a hand and once he 3Bs and you 4b/stick it in HE WILL CALL YOU WITH WORSE, but I guess an argument can be made to flat and reevaluate on the flop(if no Ace hits etc), use position to your advantage and keeping V1/V2 in the hand at the same time.

I'm very interested in how this hand turned out, Results?

Last edited by flopturntree; 11-19-2014 at 09:18 PM.
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11-19-2014 , 09:57 PM
I don't see the point in raising, we are IP and even though it isn't ideal to see a 4-way flop with KK, the SPR will be low enough for us to gii vs everone in the hand on the vast majority of flops.
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11-19-2014 , 10:51 PM
While I think it's a mistake letting V1 into the flop I think it's a bigger mistake allowing V3 to play perfectly vs us as well as pushing V2 out of the hand. Never the less, 4betting is definitively and hugely +EV so I wouldn't blame you for it.

CiB could be a clever way to trick V2 into stacking off QQ. The toughest part will be to get him to call the extra 80 pre. If he does you could bet like 1/5th PSB and have him allin on the river.

Otherwise I like calling specifically to target V2.
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11-20-2014 , 11:43 AM
The main problem with 4-betting is it usually folds out the JJ, QQ, AK part of villain's range and gets action from AA only. However, I don't like allowing the other 2 Vs into this pot cheap.

I think I'm ok with either:

1. flatting with the plan to stack off against V2 or V3 post flop, but never stack off against V1 unless we flop a set. This keeps V2 and V3s range wider going into the flop, and denies V1 the set mining odds if we are never putting in 1k with just an overpair.

2. Click it back to $182. This protects your hand against V2 and V1, and is small enough that you probably get action from all of V3s range, not just AA.
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11-24-2014 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by flopturntree
Interesting spot OP. I turned 21 2013 of February , been going to the Casino quite frequently killing the 1/2 games..

From my experience whenever I have raised and gotten 3B from someone who limps outside of the blind/straddle, its almost ALWAYS the goods, exclusively KK+ and maybe less than 5% of the time AK because they think they have you beat and want to take it down preflop. Since you have KK(blockers to AK etc) I would say he shows up with AA a lot of the time if you get it in preflop. With that being said, I would personally still 4B get it in most of the time because KK is just too strong of a hand and once he 3Bs and you 4b/stick it in HE WILL CALL YOU WITH WORSE, but I guess an argument can be made to flat and reevaluate on the flop(if no Ace hits etc), use position to your advantage and keeping V1/V2 in the hand at the same time.

I'm very interested in how this hand turned out, Results?
Posted results above but
Spoiler:
I chose to flat and so did V2 flop came 459r boths v's checked I jammed for like 320 effective and v2 snapped me off with 55. and V3 folded QQ(or claimed to I didn't see but he showed it to someone as he mucked)
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