1/2 NL
Wild and crazy Saturday night game. Hero has 195. Hero is the tightest player at table. Hero is in BB with 44
UTG raises to 10. This raise is called by 3 players (SB calls). Hero calls the 8 bucks. Pot is $50.
Flop
456
SB Checks
Hero does not like this board so he donk bets to $40. I didn't want it to check around. Bad decision?
UTG goes all in for $20. That's all he had left.
It folds to SB who calls the 40. SB is an outstanding player. Tons of gamble. Textbook LAG. Honestly, I put him on any 2 clubs here. His stack is about 1100.
Turn 9
SB checks. HERO??????????????

I don't like the donk bet on the flop, especially with UTG having such a short stack left...just check and let UTG put it in, see how everyone else acts, then it gets back to you with last option

As played, easy shove with just a PSB left

I assume that the options when it gets back to H are call or raise and not fold. I don’t think the flop bet is a bad play FWIW.

Yeah but it's very transparent, this exactly why people donkbet with pairs+ . OP actually wants everyone to fold, and if they dont what has he learned about their hand strength?

No he’s not folding on the flop no matter what actually. I don’t know but I rarely play a flopped set defensively. He’s learned a lot by betting in this hand. Highly unlikely SB has a straight. A good player in SB won’t call a shove with a flush draw. I’d bet an amount on the turn that I thought had a decent chance to convince SB V that hitting an overcard on the river had a reasonable chance of being good.

The reason I wanted to donk bet is that I did not think any card that didn't pair the board would help me and many would hurt. Agreed about UTG. I knew how short he was so didn't even pay attention to him. That's a mistake on my part.

Hand is wp, now shove turn

^This. NH.

Bombs away!!!!

Grunch by NL noob

I shove, like flop I don't want to give a free card.

Shove seems to be the consensus. I'm with you! I always try to do line checks here and it helps a lot. Thank you.

I don't know if shoving into the side pot gets called by worse often enough. SB's equity could be in really bad shape vs UTG if they are drawing to a worse flush, leaving them with 12% of $40. Alarm bells should have been going off in SB's head given the flop action, but he called anyway. I'd treat bottom set as a bluff catcher here and just try to get to a cheap showdown barring a 9c river.

WP. Shove turn.

Wow, so many nits. Unless the board gets worse, I absolutely am getting all my money in here. <100BB and we flopped a set, there's not much to it.

V could easily have 2-pair, a flush draw, a pair+straight draw, etc. Tons of worse hands that might be willing to GII with us.

AP, only move is to shove turn.

I don't hate the donk on the flop, but I'd probably prefer to check. Or maybe do something ridiculous and bet $10.

So what does donkbetting accomplish? Were you hoping they all folded?

I wanted to build a pot. I didn't want to give any free cards either.

How many pocket 4 turn set hands do you have? Clearly, you need to fold it more because you don't know what to do, even when you hit XD

Joking aside, unfortunately, that's the down side of playing OoP, especially if you limp/call pre: I think your donk is fine, especially since fear of it checking through is high. UTG could find a check here, especially if there on a draw (never folding probably unless completely missed) but Javi is right that it is pretty transparent you have a monster. Whether that monster is an overpair, a set, or even the nut straight, you got something.

The fact that the SB limped is also intriguing. It's a turn shove here, and a cooler if you get toasted by a straight or set over set.

Who are you building the pot for? You need to lead out for like $150 to deny odds to the likely range of hands calling you on this texture. Otherwise they're just gonna be correct to call your piddling $40 bet. You say you dont want to give a free card, so you bet and are basically always getting called and then someone shoves the turn on you. How do you feel now?

Even if you assume UTG is calling you 100% of the time, you want draws to continue. 150 is going to get a fold from everyone but the people who should be playing Roulette, instead of hold'em.

I disagree. 40 into 50 means he calls 40 for 90 which does not give him odds to draw to a straight or a flush.

Open Ended straight flush (so exactly 76c and 32c) do. 150 is never getting called by worse, and even chasing a boat might not net you the win.