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04-07-2013 , 07:57 AM
Hero 33 year Latino TAG 310$ effective stack. Villian late 30s Doctor with deep pockets passive loose, capable of playing a tag style from time to time 315$.

Game is 1-2 NL. Full table with lots of action.

Hero UTG 4h4s limp in for 2 V UTG+1 raise to 6, two calls from CO&B plus small and BB come along as well as hero. 36$ Pre flop.

Flop comes Kh,10h,4c.

Villian (doc) from the small blind leads out for 16$. BB folds, I raise to 46$ and it gets folded back to villian who goes into the tank for about 4mins and Re-raises me to 145$ I snap call (I dont know why I dint think anout it longer but anyhow) My plan was to shove all bricks that dont make straights or flushes.

So there is around 325 in the Pot and put him on maybey an combo draw hand like QhJh 2pair K-10, a set of Tens (I hope not) AK maybe. So Turn card is a Qh. Yukkk! He shoves for he remaining 155 roufly and I thank for like 10 to 15 mins. Your thouths please did I play this wrong.

Last edited by AcePlayerDeluxe; 04-07-2013 at 10:55 AM. Reason: Leave results out of OP
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04-07-2013 , 08:22 AM
1st: when you post try making it more legible. Break up the text into paragraphs.

Pre-flop play is fine, also happy with the flop raise to $46.

Why didn't you go all-in after the re-raise? The $145 bet is roughly half your stack and aside from 10-10 you are ahead. (KK very unlikely, Villian would have raised more pre-flop). His re-raise could be one of two things--1st, a semi-bluff on a straight/flush draw OR 2nd, having two pair and trying to chase you off a draw.

If it's #1, by calling you allow him to get there without pushing back. If it's #2 then he'll call the all-in bet most of the time.
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04-07-2013 , 08:31 AM
You say villian is passive loose, so what would he call a raise with, getting a little over 3-1 with you still to act and knowing he is going to be OOP the whole hand?

SCs, connectors, broadways, one gappers, maybe a few two gappers, 22-JJ, AK, AQ?

Villian leads out into the preflop raiser, so he must have something here. You raise, he pops you back, so he certainly has something (especially since you said he was passive).

He could have a SD/FD combo with all kinds of outs, two pair, trips or as you already told us AK (please don't give away his hand if you want good feedback).

Since he 3bet $145, if you call, there would be around $325 in the pot, and you would have around $150 left, you need to have a plan.

If you are going to the river with this hand, you might as well shove now.

Your plan on the turn was to shove any brick, but what was your plan if a card like the Qh comes? You need to think about that before you snap call the $145.
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04-07-2013 , 09:44 AM
Only issue here is you needed to shove the Flop and live with the results. If you want to play for stacks get your money into the pot while still ahead. He had to think about his re-raise for quite a while ... this is either an act or true deliberation. He doesnt need to think that much with a better set ... only draws.

You need to be ready to play for stacks before you raise to $46 or slow play this and probably fold out to Turn pressure in this particular hand. So important to have your plan established before you show any aggression to the other players. GL
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04-07-2013 , 10:47 AM
I'm getting it in after the raise to 145 on the flop. You say he's loose passive so I'm making him pay for any draws.

Also you will get better advice from people here without posting results.
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04-07-2013 , 10:57 AM
I think I know who you are talking about in this hand. He never has KK, he could show up with TT, and I don't think he plays combos like this. He'd flat all his draws IMO. I'd shove or call ALL turns. This guys plays loose passive but also is really bad and turns many of his hands into bluffs because he is a prF nit and gets lost post.

Last edited by AcePlayerDeluxe; 04-07-2013 at 02:13 PM.
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04-07-2013 , 11:13 AM
Jebus man! Is this a homegame in the retirement village or something? He tanks for 4 minutes otf, then you tank for 10-15 on the turn. Wtf are you thinking about while he's tanking...boobies or somethin? Lol

Depending how how he views you, we could jam the flop...if he's capable and willing to stack off 150bb w/AK...pretty lolbad, but we've all seen it. If he's that passive, I might fold to the flop 3b. Only think that makes it tough is the board is really wet.

Given his turn jam, I think he has AhKx a lot and call.
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04-07-2013 , 11:30 AM
Thx again guys flop shove Is defently the course of action I should of took.
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04-07-2013 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Hand Shaker
Jebus man! Is this a homegame in the retirement village or something? He tanks for 4 minutes otf, then you tank for 10-15 on the turn. Wtf are you thinking about while he's tanking...boobies or somethin? Lol

Depending how how he views you, we could jam the flop...if he's capable and willing to stack off 150bb w/AK...pretty lolbad, but we've all seen it. If he's that passive, I might fold to the flop 3b. Only think that makes it tough is the board is really wet.

Given his turn jam, I think he has AhKx a lot and call.
+1 lol
Tanks for 15 min...
That's exactly what I was thinking!
Tanking for over 3 min is a sin!!!
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04-07-2013 , 12:46 PM
First I would call the clock.
2nd...jam the flop you have alot of equity. Don't make it a tough decision on the turn. If he has 10-10, so be it. Your up against combo draw alot with great equity. Could have k-q here too, but unlikely if passive.
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04-07-2013 , 12:58 PM
should have 5bet shove flop
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04-07-2013 , 01:03 PM
Grunching here, but I suspect many above have said it. Shove flop. Well played before that.

AP, Qh is literally the grossest card in the deck, but I think we have to call here anyway. There is still some 2-pair in his range, and we have 10 outs (discounted, because at least one is likely in his hand) to boat/quad up.

Off to read what the others said.
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04-07-2013 , 01:10 PM
Pre flop play is okay. Always 4-bet shove flop.

As played you have to make a crying call.

I cant imagine a situation where it would be correct to call a 3-bet for half stacks on a draw heavy board with bottom set.

Also don't understand tanking for 10 minutes. lol
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04-07-2013 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Grunching here, but I suspect many above have said it. Shove flop. Well played before that.

AP, Qh is literally the grossest card in the deck, but I think we have to call here anyway. There is still some 2-pair in his range, and we have 10 outs (discounted, because at least one is likely in his hand) to boat/quad up.

Off to read what the others said.
If I am thinking of the right person this is a fist pump call AINEC. Dude never plays a FD or SD like what happened here.

Oh and I am flatting the flop as OP did with a plan to call/shove all turns. If we ship OTF V might fold. I've seen worse folds by him
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04-07-2013 , 02:54 PM
lol, love the tanking comments.

i was gonna say snap shove flop, but i guess APD's reads on the dude change that plan.
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04-07-2013 , 03:01 PM
Meh. If he folds to our shove OTF, that isn't horrible, as we win the pot uncontested on a scary board. Unless there is significant air in his range, he's prob folding at least 25% equity. That gives him $155 equity if he calls, meaning our EV if he calls is actually $10 lower than if he folds.
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04-09-2013 , 07:30 PM
Bumped for results...interested in how this one played out.
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04-09-2013 , 07:33 PM
given stack sizes, just shove the flop.
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04-09-2013 , 07:34 PM
result?
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04-09-2013 , 07:41 PM
Should of shoved the flop when he raised you. Unless he's on complete air he's calling. Or if you are worried he's gonna fold then you have to call/shove all turns. As played you still have outs (if you're behind), I call
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